Useful Fools

I fought in the 'Nam, like Kerry. I wasn't down and dirty in the Brownwater Navy like he was, but up at 39,000' mostly over I-Corps, the DMZ and the North. Got my BUFF shot at a few times, got lucky, never took any hits.

Kerry got in there and mixed it up at close range with an enemy who he seldom saw but who could see and hear his frail boat coming before he got there. He acted and fought bravely.

That's where it ended.

Then Kerry came home, mustered out of the Navy and joined the traitorous Vietnam Vets against the War. This group encouraged the terrorist actions of the SDS Weather Underground who went around blowing things up from May 1970 on. The VVvsW encouraged support of and for the enemy, right to the end of the conflict.

VVvsW may have lost the war for us by encouraging the enemy while depressing and killing the will of both the US and our allies to sucessfully conclude that war. At the very least, the group, with JF Kerry as one of it's national leaders, encouraged such civil discontent that our returning soldiers were spat on and reviled when they got back home.

If this man had performed brilliantly in the Senate after his election, there might be cause to say that his disservice to his nation after he served is excusable. The truth is, and it's getting published more widely every day, that he has done little for his nation in the Senate. He has not even originated any of the noted Liberal initiatives that he always votes for, and can't speak well against Conservative initiatives when he wants them defeated. He just tags along and plays at the game of politics.

His personal life since the war is a disgrace, characterized mostly by leeching off of the two rich women that he married. He is rude and haughty to his constituents in public. He is most closely associated with his mentor, Senator Edward Kennedy, unrepentant and unconfessed slaughterer of HIS inconvenient girlfriend. Every state is entitled to elect two Senators to serve their State and their Nation. No two perform more disservice to either their State or their Nation than Kennedy and Kerry.

The most horrible thing about a Kerry Presidency would be that he would elevate his mentor, either in status or to a Cabinet position. The damage that those two could and would do to the Nation in four years is horrific to contemplate.

I lost B-52 squadron mates in Operation Linebacker II over Hanoi in December of 1972. Kerry had strongly encouraged the North Vietnamese to resist, and they did. The bomber mission on that first day of combat over Hanoi had casualties equal or worse than the worst over Ploesti in WWII.

John F. Kerry gets part of the blame for those deaths.

I will never forgive him and I will never forget him. When we meet in the afterlife, I will be his personal Devil.

Rivrdog

Of course, no peace movement has ever led to peace...save for things like the "movements" lead by MacArthur and Eisenhower. Invariably, of course, the so-called peace movement has always been about making the leading democratic nation peaceful, rather than making the fascist or communist or what have you nation do the same...back in the 1930's, when Britain was pre-eminent, the movement was about keeping Britain peaceful, by the 1960's it was the US as the pre-eminent democratic power, so we got, willy-nilly, a peace movement. Each and every member of the so-called peace movement has the blood of innocents on his or her hands.

Hey Rivrdog, a quick question. My dad, Perry Reed, also flew BUFFs over Vietnam. By any chance did you happen to know him?

By the way, your comments are dead-on accurate.

I wasn't even born until the '70s, so the things that I find on the internet about the Vietnam war are always enlightening. This page in particular. Thanks again and welcome home, guys.

I find it very hard to belive that in 5 months or less a man can earn two bronze stars, a silver star, and three purple hearts. I think some high ranking military man should initate an investigation into how these medals where recomended.

All I'm seeing here is sour grapes. I'm a Navy Vet, and tho I didn't serve with Mr. Kerry, I recognize him as a leader. A junior officer who stood by his men.He served in a war that he could have easily avoided. The fact that he opposed the war after his service seems to me, he came to the debate with perspective. Ask John McCain how he feels about John Kerry. They may dissagree on some political positions, but McCain seems to believe Kerry is an honorable man. Anyone here want to question Mr. McCain's Vietnam credentials?

used to pray for mccain now i think he got hit in the head too many times his father and grandfather were the best ask kerry how he got 3 purple hearts 1 silver star 1 bronze star and who wrote him up for these (himself)never spent one night in the hospital.take a look at the real purple heart veterans 1 arm 2 arms no legs they are the real heroes.

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"Anyone here want to question Mr. McCain's Vietnam credentials?"

Sadly, there are many that would. It appears there is no line drawn when it comes to smearing someone who disagrees with another politically.

Chuck,
I hope I have the correct address this time.

John

Whether John Kerry deserved his medals or not is debatable but his bravery and dedication to his men is not.A brave leader would not have taken advantage of a loophole to go home early in the middle of a war and leave his men.It wasn't like he had major injuries,they were small cuts and scratches.If he was who he claims he was he would have stayed on with his men and finished his tour of duty.Instead he used three scrapes to exit early and leave his men there to fight for him while he went home to slander their names.Brave and dedicated?I don't think so.

To all of you was in POW camps I was there in 69-70 each night think of you would say prayer for all of you men. I have been hurt today by one pow his name John McCain who has said some bad things about our brothers on Swiftboat in favor of trader, I emailed him told him keep his big mouth shout. He had lots of things said about him he was suck up to VC. They put at end of add it was theres paid for them and by them no one has right to say what they do. God bless you. I went to school with former POW Leon Elles

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"All I'm seeing here is sour grapes. I'm a Navy Vet, and tho I didn't serve with Mr. Kerry, I recognize him as a leader. A junior officer who stood by his men.He served in a war that he could have easily avoided. The fact that he opposed the war after his service seems to me, he came to the debate with perspective. Ask John McCain how he feels about John Kerry. They may dissagree on some political positions, but McCain seems to believe Kerry is an honorable man. Anyone here want to question Mr. McCain's Vietnam credentials?"

Actually, John McCain does not in any way deny (or excuse) that Kerry's actions caused great harm to POWs. In fact, when he returned he made sure that people were aware that those statements by Kerry and others were repeatedly used against the POWs like himself. These are (some of) his own words (there are other accounts by him, and similar testimonies by other POWs):

[BEGIN QUOTE:]
John McCain, the POW-turned-senator charged that "testimony by Kerry and others before J. William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "the most effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against us."

"They used Senator Fulbright a great deal," McCain wrote - a reference to Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony that U.S. soldiers were committing war crimes in Vietnam as a matter of course.

He said Kerry political ally Sen. Ted Kennedy was "quoted again and again" by his jailers at the Hanoi Hilton.

"Clark Clifford was another [North Vietnamese] favorite," McCain told U.S. News, "right after he had been Secretary of Defense under President Johnson."

"When Ramsey Clark came over [my jailers] thought that was a great coup for their cause," he recalled. Months earlier, Sen. Kerry had appeared with Clark at the April 1971 Washington, D.C. anti-war protest that showcased his testimony before the Fulbright Committee.

"All through this period," McCain told U.S. News, his captors were "bombarding us with anti-war quotes from people in high places back in Washington. This was the most effective propaganda they had to use against us."

(From a piece McCain wrote for the May 14, 1973 issue of U.S. News & World Report)
[END OF QUOTE]

Kerry's statements (and others) were read to POWs, including my cousin (the one who came back, one of my cousins was a POW who was left behind) and they were tortured into signing "confessions" saying they had committed those stated atrocities. It is well documented, and I have seen my cousin's scars.

McCain did hold it against Kerry, for a very long time. McCain used to just avoid Kerry in Senate gatherings. One day (as Senators) they were strapped side by side on an airplane on a 3 hour flight, and they decided they had better talk it all out. They agreed to put the past behind and move forward, and they later became friends when they worked together on a project.(I did not originally get that off the web, but it is told in the article "John F. Kerry, A Candidate in the Making" (Part 7), Boston Globe, 6/21/03)

McCain did not say that what Kerry did was OK, however, he just agreed that to heal old wounds they needed to move forward and put it behind them. That McCain was eventually able to forgive him is great, but it does not erase the fact that it actually happened, which is all I'm saying.

Thank all of you for your service to this country. May God bless and protect you and yours. I have been trying to find out why NO ONE in the media has questioned Mr. McCain about his former interviews regarding Mr. Kerry. I have heard absolutely no one indicate that McCain told news & magazines alike that Kerry's words caused more pain and agony for the POWs of this country. Thank you again, K

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