What Do You Call Them?
Thu March 27th, 2003 00:32 MSTWhat do the UN Security Council, Turkey and Cameroon have in common?
All were pressured by the French to obstruct the United States in its War on Terror.
France joined with us to give Iraq a last chance in Resolution 1441. Then they stabbed us in the back by preventing any subsequent enforcing resolution. In addition to promising their veto, they used active “persuasion” to get “no” votes from African countries (over which they have great influence, having invaded two in the last couple of months).
But worse, much worse was their behavior once the war started. France blackmailed Turkey into stopping the long promised passage of our troops into Iraq. They did so by threatening that Turkey’s allowing our troop passage would result in Turkey being locked out of Europe for a generation! This was a powerful threat, since Turkey has long been seeking entrance to the EU.
This is the act of an enemy. The last minute hobblng of our most modern armored division endangers our troops and their mission. It is betrayal in war! It is inexcusable, or as Michael Ledeen, who wrote this up says, it is “the diplomatic equivalent of chemical and biological war.”
So, what do you call the French? Friends? Certainly not. Friends do not sabotage your army during a war. Ally? Not a chance! Allies don’t either. Trading partner? Not much longer, as more Americans hear about this perfidy!
France, in fact, is a strategic enemy of the United States. It is no more friendly to us than mainland China! It is willing to engage in arrogant acts of treachery because of its narcissistic ambitions towards dominance of Europe. This is a danger to the United States, and France has proven that it will go to any lengths, including actions against our troops, to achieve it’s ends.
The United States should use all possible means to destroy the current French government and to defeat their aims. As individuals, we should boycott their goods, as individuals. Our nation should work to isolate France diplomatically. We should veto any UN Security council resolution authorizing France to meddle in Africa. We should make it difficult for French to visit the US, subjecting them to difficult visa requirements. We should use the CIA to actively sabotage their economic activities around the world (a tactic France uses anyway).
You are not a citizen of USA, you are a citizen of the world. Your arguments are so badminded, you are suffering of something…
Open your eyes, travel in real life or on-line and inform yourself:
About Terrorrism:
1/ Iraq has never had connections with Ben Laden and Al Quaeda. Never. Everybody knows it.
2/ your gvt have paid, armed and trained talebans during many years, and installed them to the power Everybody knows it. CIA had contact with Ben Ladin few weeks before 11 september.Everybody knows it.
3/Bush family invited Talebans in Dallas in 1997 for oil business, and have diffrent business with Bin Laden family in 1998/1999. Everybody knows it.
4/The invasion of Iraq now will increase terrorism against USA instead of decrease it.Everybody knows it.
About the war in Irak
Your gvt decided to invade Iraq for oil, because you are importing most of your oil (and you are consuming 1/4 of world’s oil every year) and because dollar is going to loose its first-money-status for oil trading in the next month, as you can see here or in the links in this page :
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html
As every one knows, in the 30 last years USA has sponsored so many dictatures, and fired so many democracies in the world, that no-ones believe that this war is for democracy.
Another point is that every one knows that there is no democracy anymore in USA:
-congress and president elected by bussiness lobbies and not by the electors (by the people).
-More and more URSS-like laws. No free TV press. Governemental propaganda.
About killing people in Irak:
The 10 years of american embargo on food and medecines have killed millions of people in Iraq, with no effects on Saddam Hussein of course…
Iraqi people dont’ like Saddam Hussein, but for them, and for the majority of the populations in the world, Americans are worse than Saddam Hussein, more dangerous than Saddam Hussein.
If you don’t understand this, you can’t understand the 11 september attacks..
http://www.nion.us/
good luck and close your TV and open your browser with a “google translation” with French best newspapers www.lemonde.fr or www.libe.com
or see BBCnews.com
I probably shouldn’t reply, but sometimes a proper Fisking is in order, and “World Citizen” gets the honor.
First of all, I am not a citizen of the world. The world has no democratic government. The world doesn’t protect my human rights. The world puts Iraq in charge of the UN disarmament committee and Libya in charge of the UN human rights committee. No sir, I am a citizen of America, and damned glad of it.
As far as traveling in real life, let me comment that if you had checked my web site, you would know that I have been many places in the world, including living in France, and serving in a war zone.
Re: Iraq. I really don’t care if Iraq had connections with Bin Laden (your spelling is atrocious, BTW). Iraq has Weapons of Mass destruction and they threaten Americans and even citizens of the world with them, by their willingness to use them against their opponents, and their training of terrorists in their use (yes, they do that).
My government did not pay, arm or train Taliban. We did support all sorts of rebel groups in Afghanistan when they were fighting the illegal invasion of the Soviet Union, one of the worst regimes in history.
I have never heard of Bush inviting Taliban to Dallas for oil business in 1997, but it would be a bit absurd: #1 Bush was not in the oil business in 1997, and #2 the Taliban never had any oil.
The invasion of Iraq will probably increase terrorism in the short run. We know that risk. We think loger term than you do, though, and we know that the Iraq campaign is part of a much larger campaign against rogue nations with weapons of mass destruction.
What you don’t seem to appreciate is that in the world of suicidal terrorists willing to murder millions, untrustworthy dictatorship cannot be allowed to have WMD’s. We are in Iraq because it is one of the worst, and because destroying its regime is pivotal in the overall war.
You seem to be reading too much silly media. We didn’t invade Iraq for oil. That is a common and remarkably stupid argument. Why would we invade Iraq for oil when we could get all we wanted by just asking the UN to let them sell it?
As far as sponsoring dictators, your timing is wrong. Our main sponsorship of dictators was during the cold war, as they were viewed as preferable to Soviet communist totalitarian client states. Of course, we are just about the only country now standing against the brutal dictatorship of Cuba!
As far as your assertions about our democracy… you are sorely misinformed. Where do you get your information? The extreme radical press, I suspect.
Business lobbies have impact in elections. So do powerful environmental lobbies and labor unions. But what uninformed people like you seem to forget is that the votes are cast by individuals. It doesn’t matter what the lobbies do, ultimately it is the individual vote that is counted.
And as far as USSR laws… you’ve gotta be kidding. Clearly you don’t understand how the USSR worked. First of all, it ignored its own constitution and laws. Second, it had a vicious totalitarian system. I haven’t seen anything like that around here!
No free press? We have as free a press as any in the world! You must not know what to read!]
You claim that the “american embargo” on food and medicines have killed millions of people in Iraq.
GET A CLUE! There was and is no “american emnbargo.” There was a UN (you know, the world you are a citizen of) embargo that explicitely allowed food and medicine. There was also the “oil for food” program. Furthermore, the embargo (”sanctions”) was in place only because Saddam prevented the world from fully disarming him of weapons of mass destruction. He caused his country to lose $350 billion to keep those weapons, while using what money that did come in to build fancy palaces. And you accuse US of causing the suffering. Get a life, fool!
Oh and as far a le monde… I used to read it when I lived in Parise. I also read BBC.com every day.
Finally, as far as people in the world seeing us as worse than Saddam Hussein. If that is true, they are horribly misinformed. Do you see us that way? Do you think we gassed our own people and those of neighboring countries? Do we have a secret police that kills opponents of the regime by dipping them in acid or putting them feet first into a plastic shredder? Have we killed more Muslims than anyone else in history - Saddam has killed about 1,000,000 just in hist wars of aggression.
So if you think we are worse than that, you sir are a true idiot.
Saying France plays dirty is quite ironic since the US wiretaps UN delegates, threatens boycotts, and uses false information to promote a war.
It is important to remember the strong socialist sentiment in Europe, particularly in France. Since the US has always been a country that puts individuals rights/strengths first, we are contrary to socialism. The only real way to combat this is to insure that individualism is promoted in these areas.
They used to love the idea of the American Cowboy. After the cold war, socialism has so permeated Europe that there is no longer a love for the freedom espoused by such heroes.
Propaganda and possibly nuking France are the only real defenses we have against the spread of socialism.
I find it interesting that the USA asks “Why Sept 11?”
Ask Madeline Albright.
Think about it: An American Jew comments on 60Mins in 1996 in regard to 500,000 Arab babies dying 5 years after the first conflict supposedly ended who wouldn’t be “a little miffed”.
I am just surprised it took them so long to react.
Whilst not condoning the actions of Sept 11, I can certainly see some of the reasons why.
American people, open your mind for pity sake - your media is controlled and your hearts and minds are being manipulated… who has the courage to think for themselves and not just swallow what has been processed like manufactured meat and stuffed down your throats?
Doesn’t it all just get up your nose?
With the politically correct going mad over my mention that the fact that Madeline Albright is Jewish that obviously makes me a Nazi.
Ironically, that could not be further from the truth - the only thing close to Nazism here is the way the US government pumps out propaganda that has been taken directly from the notebook of Josef Goebbels himself.
Am I a Communist? No. They are just as bad as Fascists. Am I a terrorists? No. Then who am I? I am someone who is sick and tired of having to put up with Governments trying to brainwash me. I am one proud citizen who can actually think for himself and refuses to wait for someone in Authority to tell me how to think and how to act before we all become citizens of Planet America as we are rapidly becoming.
There has to be some of us left.
SickOfItAll… Who is “them?” From your comments, it would appear that you are anti-Semitic, a class of despicable human beings (barely) that is growing once again, as it has periodically for millenia.
What 500,000 Arab babies are you talking about? The ones who died in Iraq (and they certainly weren’t that huge number) died because of the UN’s Oil for Palaces program. They called it “Oil for Food” and it was meant to allow Iraq to buy food and medicine for its people with oil revenue. Instead, Saddam Hussein built over 40 huge palaces, while children died in his under-equipped hospitals. Then he let film crews see these children dying so he could blame it on the UN sanctions.
As for thinking for yourself, I see no evidence of it above.