Comments on: Abortion Hypocrisy with Mental Health Loophole

By: Dststm44

Dststm44 — Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:12:50 +0000

You know as I have been trying to get the government to realize that before any laws can be written about abortions the very first question we (as a nation) must answer and set as the standard is “When does life begin?”. Without this being answered we cannot truly make any laws about it. The federal governemnt cannot banned abortion out right or accept it without first putting it to the vote of the people, or it would be seen as discriminatory against one side. This is why I have been pushing to get a Special National Vote to end the issue one way or the other as a nation, along with the Eminent Domain decision. That decision gave me and every citizen the right to call for this vote and to have this issue settled once and for all in this nation. If you really like to see it banned than join me in this quest of getting this vote July 4th, 2007. Because what better day, to decide when life begins and if we as citizens have the right to say “No” to any level of government that wants to seize our property except for the war against drugs and computer hacking, Thank you Thomas Coats.

By: Dststm44

Dststm44 — Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:11:25 +0000

By: Erica Taylor

Erica Taylor — Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:13:23 +0000

I was a pro-abortionist and still have my opinions on the matter, but after having to do this report on Abortion, I have seen the horrific pictures and procedures they do and it made me sick. If a woman wants to hurt her self and kill her baby because she is worried about her mental health, I say it’s a cop out for not wanting to take responsibility for her actions. In some cases I do agree with Abortion, but for someone to Abort there baby when it is 9 months old is truly murder. There are thousands of people who want a child and would take care of the baby that your about to Abort.

By: John Moore (Useful Fools)

John Moore (Useful Fools) — Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:24:37 +0000

Kevin,
9th month pregancy terminations are relatively rare, but they do happen but they aren’t the issue I was discussing. I mentioned the 9th month only to point out the how extreme the abortion jurisprudence has become. The rarity of abortions in the 9th month is not the issue – the fact that they are ABSOLUTELY LEGAL UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCFES is. And the fact that the father has no rights is complete and total judicial hypocrisy – the fetus is either a person, who cannot be killed, or the fetus is property. In the latter case the father should have rights that conflict with the mother’s rights.

Furthermore, nowhere did my article mention the partial birth abortion ban, which should be a state issue. However, there are between 3000 and 5000 partial birth abortions annually, and the vast majority are performed in the 5th and 6th months on healthy babies of healthy mothers.

Regarding the issue of illegal abortion, or, as you put it: “if a mother is desperate to have an abortion in the 9th month“.

Because of the current state of the law, she doesn’t have to be desperate. And the abortion can be a mere convenience, or be done to spite a former lover or husband (which is the real point of my post about the legal hypocrisy, which you didn’t address). Thus making it illegal (which is impossible because the courts have removed this who area of public dispute from the democratic process creating this absolute “right” out of whole cloth) would probably greatly reduce the number of these abortions. And, in spite of what the press says (and remember how biased they are about guns), the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act still allows the abortion if it is necessary to save the mother’s life.

Furthermore, the PBAA does not prevent her from having an abortion. She could still have a C-section abortion if she so chose. PBAA is there for convenience, not safety.

Finally, whether a homicide is justifiable or murder is not a medical decision. It is a moral judgement by society, which is then expressed by law (or lack thereof). That is not a doctor’s decision. The only decision a doctor should be able to make in these circumstances is in deciding if the abortion is absolutely necessary to save the life of the mother, and even then society can make a decision that society prefers the child’s life to the mother’s (not that I advocate that).

To me, the main problem with the PBAA is that it violates states’ rights.

By: Kevin Baker

Kevin Baker — Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:49:50 +0000

John, I agree that this probably does occur, and as late as the 9th month. However, I believe that it’s probably EXTREMELY rare.

The problem comes from writing a law that will prevent this EXTREMELY RARE occurrence without also preventing what may be medically legitimate abortions. Note that the “partial birth” abortion ban won’t stop late-term abortions – just one type of them.

I’m uncomfortable with legislators deciding things medical. I’d prefer it if we left those decisions to doctors who (supposedly) practice under the Hippocratic oath rather than legislators who (supposedly) practice under an oath to support and defend the Constitution.

And bear in mind – making it illegal won’t stop it. If a woman is that desparate to end a pregnancy late term, risk of jail probably won’t stop her.

By: Patriot Paradox

Patriot Paradox — Sun, 09 Nov 2003 17:53:42 +0000

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