Kerry “Forgot” A Meeting Where Killing Senators Was Discussed
Tue March 23rd, 2004 00:19 MSTThe Los Angeles Times has an article [free registration required] about some of the FBI surveillance files on John Kerry’s anti-war activities. The article manages to ignore the most relevant damaging information, and paints Kerry in the best light - for example twice reporting that the FBI ceased its surveillance because Kerry was not involved in violence. Front Page Magazine has a more detailed and damning article (below the LA times article).
The LA Times, apparently not satisfied with its performance during the recall election, seems to be trying to lower its credibility to that of the New York Times. Here are excepts and comments:
They [FBI files] also suggest that Kerry’s memories of some of his antiwar activities, including the date he left his position on the VVAW national steering committee, were inaccurate. Kerry has stated that he left the group in the summer of 1971, but the files show that he did not quit until the late fall of that year.
There are good reasons that Kerry wants to hide his participation in activities later that year.
The files show that Kerry and his activities within VVAW were a subject of FBI surveillance throughout the summer of 1971, during a time he claimed to have already left the organizationThe documents include evidence that Kerry did not resign from the VVAW’s national steering committee until November 1971, during four days of meetings in Kansas City. Several Vietnam-era histories — and Kerry himself — had said his resignation occurred at a VVAW gathering in St. Louis in July.
In other words, Kerry lied.
Previously, Kerry had denied being at the Kansas City gathering. But the FBI files, along with interviews with former VVAW members, indicate that he attended at least some portion of the meetings, using the occasion to resign his post as one of the group’s national coordinators.
“I still have no memory of a Kansas City meeting.
This is starting to sound Clintonesque.
But the files include a “priority” memorandum dated Nov. 16, 1971 — the day after the VVAW’s Kansas City meeting ended — from Hoover to Nixon and other high-ranking administration officials. Quoting a “confidential source,” the report said Kerry was there and had resigned from the VVAW for personal reasons.
“It’s just weird,” Kerry said, when asked about the discrepancy. He attributed his previous assertions to a faulty memory.
More of the Clintonesque lying, but done less skillfully, and the LA Times is leaving out very damaging information. The 3 day meeting was held to discuss a proposal for the group to assassinate a number of US Senators!
No wonder Kerry couldn’t remember it - nothing important or memorable was discussed! Apparently the Los Angeles Times also doesn’t consider an assassination plot against Senators to be worth reporting.
“I remember the Kansas City meeting like it was last week,” said Barnes. She said Kerry read an emotional resignation letter while scores of VVAW members sat around long tables in a church classroom.
“He said he was going into public service, that he was going to run for office,” said Barnes. “It was a short speech, but it was emotional. Everybody cheered.”
Apparently the day he resigned from the VVAW in order to run for office also wasn’t important enough for him to remember.
Afterward, Barnes recalled, Kerry and others stepped outside the church for a break, only to see FBI agents taking pictures of them from across the street. Barnes recalled saying to Kerry: “You’ve been thinking about this a long time.”
And Barnes recalled Kerry saying: “Yeah, since high school.”
More evidence that Kerry’s actions, including his war service and his VVAW activities were motivated by political ambition.
A pattern is starting to appear…
One [FBI] report from Oklahoma said, “The entire conference lacked coordination and appeared to be a platform for John Kerry, national leader of VVAW rather than for VVAW.”
…the pattern continues…
Another concluded that a speech he gave at George Washington University was “a clear indication that Kerry is an opportunist with personal political aspirations.”
…and continues…
Kerry recalled his opposition to VVAW leaders meeting with North Vietnamese officials. “I thought that would be disastrous to the credibility of the organization,” he said, “to the people we were trying to convince about the war.”
Some more selective history by the LA Times. Prior to this meeting, during his Senate testimony, Kerry claimed to have met with the enemy (North Vietnamese - DPRK, and North Vietnamese run puppet shadow government for the south - PRG).
Naturally, the Times didn’t bother to report this also. Nor did they report that John Kerry, in that same testimony, urged the Senate to accept the negotiation points of the enemy - which was tantamount to urging surrender.
From Frontpage Magazine John Kerry’s Political Friends:
Mr. Barnes was present as part of the Kansas City host chapter for the 1971 meeting and recounted the incident in a phone interview with The New York Sun this week.In addition to Mr. Barnes’s recollection placing Mr. Kerry at the Kansas City meeting, another Vietnam veteran who attended the meeting, Terry Du-Bose, said that Mr. Kerry was there.
There are at least two other independent corroborations that the antiwar group Vietnam Veterans Against the War, of which Mr. Kerry was the most prominent national spokesman, considered assassinating American political leaders who favored the war.
And we have the FBI reports confirming this.
Gerald Nicosia’s 2001 book Home To War reports that one of the key leaders of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Scott Camil,“proposed the assassination of the most hard-core conservative members of Congress,as well as any other powerful, intractable opponents of the antiwar movement.” The book reports on the Kansas City meeting at which Mr.Camil’s plan was debated and then voted down.Mr. Nicosia’s book was widely praised by reviewers as varied as General Harold Moore, author of We Were Soldiers; Gloria Emerson, who had been a New York Times reporter during the Vietnam War, and leftist Howard Zinn. Mr. Kerry himself stated in a blurb on the cover that the book “ties together the many threads of a difficult period.” Mr. Kerry hosted a party for the book in the Hart Senate Office Building that was televised on C-SPAN.
Another source is an October 20,1992, oral history interview of Scott Camil on file at the University of Florida Oral History Archive. In it,Mr.Camil speaks of his plan for an alternative to Mr. Kerry’s idea of symbolically throwing veterans’ medals over the fence onto the steps of the Capitol during the Dewey Canyon III demonstration in Washington in April of 1971.
“My plan was that, on the last day we would go into the [congressional] offices we would schedule the most hardcore hawks for last and we would shoot them all,” Mr. Camil told the Oral History interviewer. “I was serious.”
In a phone interview with the Sun this week, Mr. Camil did not dispute either the account in the Nicosia book or in the oral history. He said he plans to accept an offer by the Florida Kerry organization to become active in Mr. Kerry’s presidential campaign. Campaign aides to Mr. Kerry invited Mr.Camil to a meeting for the senator in Orlando last week, but they did not meet directly.
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According to the Nicosia book and interviews with VVAW members who were involved, at theVietnam Veterans Against the War Kansas City leadership conference, Mr. Camil tried to put his plan into effect. He called together eight to 10 Marines to organize something he called “The Phoenix Project.” The original Phoenix Project during the Vietnam War was an attempt to destroy the Viet Cong leadership by assassination. Mr. Camil’s Phoenix Project planned to execute the Southern senatorial leadership that was financing the Vietnam War. Senators like John Stennis, Strom Thurmond, and John Tower were his targets, according to Mr. Camil. They were to be killed during the Senate Christmas recess the following month.After an attempt to parcel out the hit jobs required to kill the senators, Mr. Camil’s plan was presented to all the chapter coordinators present and the VVAW leadership. Mr. Nicosia’s book recounts, “What Camil sketched was so explosive that the coordinators feared lest government agents even hear of it. So they decamped to a church on the outskirts of town with the intention of debating the plan in complete privacy.When they got to the church, however, they found that the government was already on to them; their ‘debugging expert’ uncovered microphones hidden all over the place. An instantaneous decision was made to move again to Common Ground, a Mennonite hall used by homeless vets as a ‘crash pad.’”
“Camil was deadly serious, brilliant, and highly logical,” Mr. Nicosia told the Sun.
The pattern is clear. During 1970 and 1971 Kerry was using the radical VVAW as his stepping stone to political office. At the same time, he was collaborating with an enemy who was daily killing Americans and holding our prisoners in the Hanoi Hilton. He also gave a very damaging and perjurious presentation to the United States Senate.
John Kerry is not an honorable man. John Kerry is not a patriot. John Kerry is a disgrace to this nation, to Vietnam Veterans, and the Navy.
Unfortunately the NY Times managed to one-down the LA Times, by painting the story as an invasion of poor John-boy’s privacy, with no mention of the assassination plot.
CNN at least mentions the assassination plot in their coverage… in the 25th paragraph.
Scott Camil Was the guy in the conspicy that wanted to kill American congressmen and sentores ect. I have heard that this man works for kerry in Florida. I live in Florida and I would love to know where this s.o.b. is in my state. please email me.
I do hope this is one piece of personal history that will haunt Kerry for the rest of his life.
That and the fact he personally killed any hope of information of MIA’s still missing in VietNam.
If he’s miraculously voted into office I think it is the responsibilty that he be eagle eyed as to every word, and word that emits from him. Let’s see what kind of grit this guy really has, having his feet held to the fire for 4 consecutive years. I intend on doing my part as a good and patriotic American.
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Friday, March 19, 2004
ELECTION 2004
Reported Kerry aide 1 of ‘Gainesville 8′
Anti-war activist acquitted of plotting violence at GOP convention
Posted: March 19, 2004
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The man who Sen. John Kerry’s campaign reportedly has offered a position – whose background includes plotting to kill members of Congress in 1971 – was one of the “Gainesville Eight,” a group of Vietnam War protesters indicted and then acquitted of a plan to violently disrupt the 1972 Republican National Convention in Miami.
As WorldNetDaily reported, Scott Camil, a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, presented to the group, including Kerry, a plot to assassinate conservative congressmen at a November 1971 meeting.
The Kerry campaign denies the senator and presidential candidate was present at the meeting, saying he quit the organization prior to the heated session in Kansas City, Nov. 12-15, 1971.
However, Randy Barnes of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, disputes that account. Barnes participated in the meeting and he says Kerry, then 27, was at the meeting, voted against the plot and then resigned from the organization. According to a New York Sun report, another Vietnam vet who attended the meeting, Terry Du-Bose, agreed that Kerry was there.
Camil, who was never prosecuted for the plot, plans to accept an offer by the Florida Kerry organization to become active in the presidential campaign, according to the Sun. Camil’s plot, involving eight to 10 Marines, targeted the Southern senatorial leadership including John Stennis, Strom Thurmond and John Tower.
Larry Turner, one of the Gainesville Eight’s attorneys, spoke at a 30-year reunion of four of the defendants in September.
“They clearly had no plans to do anything besides complain and protest [at the convention],” he told the University of Florida’s Alligator newspaper. “It was clearly not a very strong case.”
At the same event, Camil slammed President Bush’s involvement in Iraq.
“It is a war based on lies and destruction,” he told the paper. “The things I am seeing now are the things my father fought against in World War II.”
The Alligator reported Camil held back tears as he recalled his time in Vietnam, claiming President Nixon lied to the public about the war.
“Democracy can’t really function if the public doesn’t have access to the truth,” he said.
Like Kerry, Camil, a former member of the 1st Marine Division, drew attention to himself in the ’70s by testifying about alleged crimes by U.S. soldiers during the war. He claimed GIs cut off ears of dead Vietnamese, raped women and eviscerated prisoners.
The case against the Gainesville Eight involved testimony by FBI informants against the anti-war activists. The case ended in acquittal before the defense was presented.
Camil posted a narrative about the trial on a Columbia University website called the Human & Constitutional Rights Resource Page:
“[FBI informant] Emerson Poe was one of my best friends. My girlfriend and I used to baby-sit for his wife and him. When she had a miscarriage, we took care of his kid while they were at the hospital. Poe had been right with me as assistant regional director of VVAW. He worked with us when we met with lawyers, talked strategy, and he even helped us select a jury. And then we’re sitting there near the end of the trial, and Jack Carrouth, the prosecutor, calls him. Emerson Poe gets up – and he’s one of them. It blew me away. I couldn’t believe he could be an informer, but the whole time he was reporting back to the FBI.”
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Are you honestly this close-minded? Maybe you ought to listen to a little of Scott Camil’s story and learn what an ordeal he has gone through in his life. The very country that he risked his life for over and over again in Vietnam, turned on him once he voiced an opinion with which they simply did not agree (and no, I am not talking about the assassination plot. Scott was shot in the back by two federal agents for merely voicing anti-war sentiments on a local Gainesville radio station. It was not until after this attempt on his life that he devised the assassination plot — which, by the way, was only meant as a defense mechanism as the US government was planning to centralize all of the anti-war protestors in Miami Beach, strand them on the island, and hope that they fought one another in order to be rid of them).
It is an amazing feat that Scott Camil survived the many close encounters in Vietnam and later the attempt on his life by the United States government. I am truly over-joyed by the fact that he did in order to tell his story to others. Try opening your mind in order to understand that what is on the surface is merely just what is on the surface. There is a whole other layer below that to which only very privileged few have access.
Further, Scott Camil himself claims that he does not remember John Kerry being present at the meeting in Kansas City where he spoke of his assassination plan. However, had John Kerry been present, Camil said that his idea was immediately refused. In Kerry’s defense, it is obvious that no one but Camil supported the assassination-defense plan.
Natalie,
Enjoy your fantasies.
I’ve done my research. Lots of it.
I really don’t care what Scott Camil claims because the VVAW was notorious for the lies its members told, and for the phoney veterans in its ranks - especially at the so-called “Winter Soldier” investigation. Scott Camil may be lying about the Kansas City meeting, but some of his comrades are not, and have said on television that Kerry was present. They point out that it was at the conclusion of this meeting that Kerry resigned from VVAW to seek public office. Furthermore, the FBI was tracking this group, and they also confirmed Kerry’s presence at the meeting.
Natalie, I notice you are at the University of Florida. Perhaps you’ve been to a talk by Mr. Camil. A lot of Vietnam Veterans watched the anti-war movement (some from inside the Hanoi Hilton). I have the transcripts, audio recordings and video of John Kerry’s treasonous presentation to the United States senate, and the many outrageous lies that he told.
Here is what Camil said:
This doesn’t sound like immediately being immediately refused. The VVAW folks moved to a more secure location to discuss the plan. Later they voted it down. Furthermore, Kerry’s campaign is still in touch with this lunatic who wanted to kill Senators.
Then we have
War always produces liars. This war produced more than normal. Scott Camil is one of them.
And remember, the Vietnam was was lost by people like Camil and Kerry. The 48000 dead in Vietnam lost their lives for nothing, because the anti-war movement forced the US to not only leave Vietnam while we were winning, but it prevented us from even providing military aid.
It still took the North Vietnamese 3 years to conquer the South, with the North being continuously supplied by the USSR and China, and South Vietnam being supplied by nobody.
Did they teach you that in your history class?
Are you just a useful fool of a University Student, smitten by Camil’s lies, or are you more than that?
In any case, this summer you will see in Washington demonstrations where veterans who did not turn against their country turn out to condemn Mr. Kerry and his ilk. I’ll be there.
I just so happen to stumble across this site after reading many others about John Kerry. How can I help in the fight? I am not a Vietnam Vet, but did do my time as an Air Force Reservist, my husband was in Coast Guard, both our families have men in Iraq! We must get this info out to the public much more than already is! I live in Florida, and Washinton DC is a long way, but by the grace of God we’ll be there just to support the troops! I am 51 years old and remember the Vietnam War very well! I was one of those who believed some of this crap Kerry said! May the truth, the FULL THRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH FINALLY COME OUT IN THE OPEN!
How can a human being living in this great country of ours, be in the US Senate and run for the President with this kind of background????? What a COVER UP!!!! How does this man sleep at night and look in the mirror everyday? God help him.
Do you think this meeting in Washington will begin a healing in the hearts and minds of our country? The Vets really need it! Thanks to all of you Vietnam Vets!My heart goes out to you all!
I am so disgusted with John Kerry and it sickens me he’s made it this far on so many lies. I was just out of diapers during Vietnam but I’m very familiar with its affects on people dear to me…men of honor and integrity who deserve better than the trash that has been heaped on them. I am doing all I know to do promote your rally in DC and SBVFT. It’s time for the whole story to be told and let the chips fall where they may. It is my prayer that sKerry will be beneath the rubble when all is said and done and it will happen BEFORE Nov 2! God help us if this communist-loving coward is elected.