SPREAD THE WORD:Kerry Smeared His Country and The Press is Hiding It
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THE KERRY STORY
Looks Good if you Believe The Media
To veterans and military people, Kerry seems like a good bet: A war hero (he’ll tell you that if you listen 5 seconds), a long time Senator and a Vietnam Veteran. He has a number of what he calls his “brothers in arms” at every campaign stop.
Only The Good is Reported
But this is a very misleading look at John Kerry. His real record is of somebody no serviceman would want in his unit, and no American would want in charge of the country.
The Real John Kerry - Damage to Vietnam Veterans and His Country
But although all of this is public record, most Americans and too many veterans don’t know the true depth to which this man descended in his quest for office in the early 70s, the lies he told to all that slandered every one of us who participated in the Vietnam War, that caused many Vietnam Veterans to be unable to get jobs and others to be considered as potential nut cases, while our great nation’s reputation was dragged through the mud, mud that clings to Vietnam Veterans, every serviceman from that time until today, and most importantly, to the reputation of our country.
The Real Kerry - Slandering Veterans and our Country
How many Americans and Vietnam Veterans know that while our POWs were in the Hanoi Hilton, Kerry was traipsing around the country, slandering all American soldiers and our country’s reputation. [NOTE to skeptics: The link is to an article which contains a link to the original CSAN transcript of Kerry’s charges when made, to the US Senate]
The Real John Kerry - Used in Anti-American Propaganda This Month
How many Americans know that just this month, the communist Vietnamese government attacked US policy in Iraq, in an article which” proved” that the United States fought using atrocities as a daily routine event, using the name and quotes from John Kerry. [NOTE: the article linked is on a web site in Vietnam, run by the Vietnamese News Service, controlled by the Vietnamese Government]
The Real John Kerry - POWs Don’t Want Him Elected
How many know that Hanoi Hilton POWs have written letters (Jim Warner, Joe Crecca, Admiral and former Senator Jeremiah Denton)asking people not to vote for Kerry. Among other things, Kerry’s speeches were played by their captors to demoralize the POWs.
The Real John Kerry - Dictators Want Him Elected
Leaders in the tyranical regime of Vietnam think we should elect John Kerry.
The Real John Kerry - Honored by Vietnamese for Helping the Communists Win
How many know that the communist tyranny in Vietnam has Kerry’s picture in a place of honor - a room dedicated to foreigners who helped the communist victory. [We have had direct contact with the person who took these pictures, and some of the ones showing context were taken on our request.]
The Real John Kerry - Denounced by his Chain of Command and 200 Fellow Swift Boaters
How many realize that those who knew Kerry best, all of his commanders up to the CINCPAC, and 200 other Swift Boat sailors gave a press conference and signed a letter claiming that Kerry was unfit to be Commander in Chief? Additional Report
The Real John Kerry - Trying to Hide The Stain of his Perfidy
How many know that Kerry himself views his anti-war activities so harmful to his presidential bid that he covered up the fact that he was an officer in the US Naval Reserve the whole time, including when he met with the enemy? He even got the Boston Globe to publish that he was given an honorable discharge in 1970, when he didn’t actually get one until 1978. [I disccovered this coverup in process. Several of us were curious about why his public biography had a 2 year gap in service. Now we know. The Boston Globe article still has the false discharge date - you can find it, and then compare it to the military records on John Kerry’s own web site.
Where to Keep Track of the Truth about John Kerry
For up-to-date complete information on Kerry’s war and anti-war record, see wintersoldier.com. See Vietnam Vets for the Truth for news and activism information. Keep an eye on this blog for updates also.
Breaking through the Media Iron Curtainl - We Need Your Help
We are determined that even in the face of the Iron Curtain of the pro-Kerry press, the truth will come out. Americans and especially veterans need to understand that John Kerry slandered our nation and our veterans, and that the stain remains to this day on us and our nation. We insist that the media show the truth.
If you can help, please contact your local TV stations, talk and news radio, and your local newspaper, and ask them why Americans are not being told the truth. It is best if you send a fax or make a telephone call, not just email. Please let others, especially Vietnam Veterans know about this site and the other two given here.
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John Moore
USNR 1966-1972, Vietnam 1968
My wife is one who doesn’t believe any of the things Kerry has done. If it isn’t on NBC Network News, it didn’t happen. And anything I read on a blog is, ipso facto, Republican lies and BS. Unfortunately I think a lot of people are like that, which is why it is so easy for the media to control the public’s collective opinion.
What you are doing here is incredibly important. If the mainstream media doesn’t report on Kerry’s traitorous activities, 90% of Americans will never even know (or if they do know, won’t believe, or won’t care).
[FROM BLOGMASTER: Thank You. The MSM is not planning on reporting on the real John Kerry of the ’70s. That is why we are asking readers to take this information, write letters to the editor, call talk radio, try to get your local TV to cover the story. We are up against an Iron Curtain keeping the truth locked up and not letting it free in the world. If you think your fellow citizens should know about this, you are going to have to help. Thanks, John Moore, Vietnam Veteran USNR, 1968)
I am a life long Democrat here to apologize for the sick filth bothering your weblog. I have voted Democrat in every election in the past thirty five years and I have never been more embarrassed, more outraged and disappointed in people who are supporting John Kerry.Until last week I was about to hold my nose and vote for Kerry until I saw the awful and inexcusable behavior seen here. My party has been deteriorating for many years, but has reached absolute bottom now.
Another comment referred to the pranksters as kids. They aren’t kids they’re teachers, lawyers, doctors and professional people. UNtil my party rejects these sickos I will never vote Democrat or hold my vote entirely. These indecent sickos do not represent all of us but too many. I apologize to all the decent people who post here. I do not agree with all of you, but there is no excuse for this behavior. I am very sorry.
Nick R., I don’t apologize for David Duke because
he’s out in left field(figuratively speaking). I
will speak out against him because that is my duty.
By the same token I don’t expect you to apologize
for those who’ve slipped a gear on your side. By
speaking out against them, you have proved that any
differences we have philosophically are a matter of
debate not emnity. So, Sir, differ away and lets get
it on.
Nick
If it is appropriate, welcome.
If you have any doubts why John Kerry should NOT be president of the United States, there are 55,245 reasons why he should not.
After what he did to us and the rest of the people who served is nothing less than treasonous.
What he did to those who paid the ultimate price is unforgivable.
He,john kerry was there. Served is another question.
One has to ask themselves how many more names were added to the Wall because of what he and his leftist cohorts did.
The real sad part is Kennedy, kerry, byrd and Joe Biden (aka the dumbest man in the Senate)are trying to repeat what they did 34 years ago to a new group of kids now in harms way putting ‘IT’ all on the line, for these same, selfish, self-righteous, power hungry sons of bitches. They dont deserve your vote let alone confidence, they have one goal and that is to destroy the best country in the world. And to re-write it in there own perverted image.
Mark
This is the 14th amendment, section 3 of the Constitution:
‘No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.’
Am I being too simplistic, or does this say that John Kerry is not eligible for his current job, let alone the Presidency? He did give aid and comfort to the enemy, as an officer, and after taking the oath to uphold and support the constitution.
Or is this just wishful thinking?
You might check out the organization Citizens United. They are pushing the truth about Kerry (and Democrats in general) out there in a big way. The more ammo they get the better.
http://www.citizensunited.org/
Billie
Your wishful thinking is that anyone would do anything with this. In my opinion, it applies (as does a related section in the constitution itseslf that taks abut aid and comford….).
I’ve been very surprised at the number of intruders lately, and it seems to coincide with Mr. Moore’s Kerry column. I don’t know very much about how these blogs are run and how insane remarks are blocked, but a lot of them get through here compared to, say, Roger Simon’s blog.
I’ve made a lot of insane remarks myself, and haven’t been deleted without good cause, but I usually know when I have lost it. John lets me through along with a lot of other stuff until it grows into a street brawl. But still something about tinyvital bothers the other side, otherwise the idiots wouldn’t be so intent on causing trouble.
Media complicity in the Kerry campaign is a piece of the Kerry mosaic now. But I wonder if we are not already far beyond normal expectations of candidate coverage. Is the battle being fought elsewhere? Each day brings something more bizarre and troubling which makes Kerry “news” coverage almost inconsequential.
Albert Gore, who I honestly believe is insane, is at it again, and being covered as if he were a rational observer. Luckily, the man’s instincts for self-destruction are unfailing. The long and sad slide into personal dementia and public oblivion is underway for Gore. And he deserves it, but he is listened to, and the Kerry campaign uses Gore like a rented mule.
The Michael Moore phenomenon is extra-media, and the Kerry campaign is apparently pleased with the film. It serves their purpose, as well as the purposes of Hezbollah, which is vastly more dangerous than Al Qaeda. Dem Party figures like Daschle and the nauseating Tom Harkin attend the film viewing and recommend it. The Democratic Party has clearly taken the decision that Michael Moore is an asset, when he is without question one of the most disgusting and monstrous pigs on the scene today.
On another site, this incisive observation was made: The Democratic Party today is analogous to the German Conservatives of the 1930’s. They accepted the Nazis because the Nazis did the dirty work, but we know who won, and what the outcome was.
The Democratic Party no longer needs the conventional news media because of the shear size and variety of media outlets, entertainment, the lunatic Dem weblogs, Hollywood and all the other known (and unknown) sources of propaganda. They have made a Devil’s bargain and we don’t know where the parameters are. If Michael Moore isn’t beyond them, who is?
We’re in new waters now, dangerous waters, chiefly because The Left and, yes, the Democrats, have dragged our Republic into the sewer with them, and the rats are chewing at all of us. They have scraped away the crust on the mud and repulsive creatures are scurrying everywhere…we see them here from time to time.
I’m very worried. We must not lose this one. The evil here is continuous with Islamofascism, and there is no going back.
Hey Rhod, I think that we’re going to do it regardless of the spin. It’s not often that I see defection for a single election such as I’m seeing now, and it’s not often that the messages of defection get past the major media. I’m seeing it today and it says something about the situation that we’re in. My own, unlearned, opinion is that the public has already made up their mind about the respective strengths of the two candidates and chosen the stronger one. As much as Kerry wants to appear strong, his conduct during ‘Nam won’t cut it. The folks on his side know it, and as much as they want him to be right, when the time comes the country will come first.
Mike:
I certainly hope you’re right. I don’t see any defections here in the northeast, probably because every sane Democrat already bailed during the Reagan years. What remains is the “I Love Vermont” contingent. Well-to-do, urbane, silly, and habitually “liberal”, with a world view built from CPTV travelogues.
They voted for Gore and will automatically vote for Kerry. And Kerry, bad as he is, is not THE issue. It is the portal from the lefty underworld he will provide (if he wins) for the other people we’re talking about here. If you read the vile posts from “European”, you know what I mean. Thanks.
I took a European trip, recently, and struck-up a remarkably warm–and strangely symbiotic–friendship with a delightful Maine couple, a retired college professor and his Vassar-educated wife. Both were extraordinarily articulate, almost ridiculously well-read, and, in mannerism, polished to absolute perfection–in other words, these were the Maine-version of Rhod’s urbane Vermonters, those “habitually liberal” folk who remain as deeply entrenched within Democratic Party traditions and beliefs as even the most obstinate Kennedy.
For ten really happy days we discussed European politics, culture, religion and history to saturation point. And then, upon reaching the French port at Strasbourg, the man suddenly seemed to come apart at the seams. Out of the clear-blue this marvelous gent suddenly blurted: “Good lord! If only we had a president like Jacques Chirac!” Like a well-lubricated Adolf Hitler, three-quarters of the way through one of his Nuremberg Nazi Party-Day speeches, the old professor shrilled with glazed eyes, “Bush is gonna’ be the death of us all! He’s clear-cutting the last of the rain forests, he’s melting the polar ice-caps, he’s alienating every last sane person in the world…he’s going to drive us straight into Armageddon! (For one, do Democrats even believe in Armageddon?).
I thought the world of this man and his prim, proper, tight-lipped, Norwegian-sweatered, Birkenstock-clad wife. Until his strange and unsolicited outburst, I truly believed I had established a deep and meaningful relationship with these folks.
My Oklahoma-born wife, who patiently listened as I later expressed my disappointment with the failed ‘friendship,’ said: “Well, east is east, and west is west, hon’–you know what they say about that sort of thing!”
I’d like to meet the libs’ on some sort of common ground, at times, but just where is common ground when you’re dealing with that kind of extremism?
Well Robert, I think the man is right.
Bush does ruin us!
Robert et al,
I was baffling with that “extremist” phenomena for a long time during my encounter with the elitists. I rule out neither stupidity nor mental retard in the normal sense as the cause because these folks are well educated, well read and have accumulated considerable wealth. Until I read Karl Popper’s “All life is a problem solving”.
To the benefit for the uninitiated on Popper’s World 3 theory, I will briefly summarize the 3 worlds:
World 1 is physical world like our hand, the rock, the birds etc.
World 2 is the mental event like memories, feelings, psychological behaviors.
World 3 is abstract world of concepts, theories like addition 2+2=4, numbers, e=m*(square)c, equality, freedom and so on and so forth.
As you can see, world 1 and world 2 are the very inclusive composition of an “individual” whether it’s “life” or not “life” thing while world 3 is exclusive for human being. To make it easier to grab the idea of world 3, I call this world 3, the abstract mental library each of us carries with ourselves and the contents varied relative to the depth of an individual’s knowledge.
With respect to scientific event, concepts and theories are consistent (not necessarily and absolutely true but consistently agree to that condition). That is 2+2 always equal 4 but not 5 or 3. However, the other concepts like equality, liberty and freedom etc has no absolute references and so need to be quantified against a relative achievable goal with a specific purpose to become agreeable. That is to say we use relative reference all the time to do comparative analysis in order to become agreeable . Logic and critical rationalizing which are also a part of our abstract library are used to aid the process and to prevent parties to use different set of standards in judging the outcome.
However, the conclusion can only agreeable if there is no obstruction to the path to that section of the library or in many unfortunate case of people living in third world countries, that section is just simply not existent.
In my case and perhaps in the overwhelming majority case of liberal’s narcissm, that path to their library is blocked by their world 2 feelings enforced by the belief that they are they are the leader of the future to create heaven on earth, and/or they are the smartest people on earth, hence they can’t be wrong. (I make my simple conclusion here but it’s a complicate issue on sophists and elitists but you can find more in Karl Popper’s treaties on Plato’s sophists and elitists in “The Open society and it’s enemy, Vol 1″, and Thomas Sowell “Knowledge and Decision”, “The Vision of the Annointed”)
In every which way you have a dialog of an elitist, that air of “intellectual superiority” are always present. The standard of the context are employed by them at will, irregard to rule and process of logic and critical rationalized. When you confront them with the reality of the facts that do not compromise to their “vision”, or they are inconsistent in their premises by employing different set of standards in the same environment, anger always explodes and cause of anger is a deeply principle or belief has been violated. It never fail to observe emotional behavior of “liberal” and elitists when you corner them. It never fail.
I have since stopped engaging these narcissistic people once I realize it is a mental condition can only be cured by self-awareness or a blow in the face by hard reality (Vietnamese elitists got that blow in 1975 and I have utmost contempt for them when they wrote their memoirs of the wrong belief they once had). Never mind the psychologists and analysts for they have the same disease as the patients.
The fact that many former leftist and liberal have come back from the grave is due to their remaining tiny bit of self-doubt that help them to pry open the block obstructing them when engaging the principle and belief that they hold dearly in their heart (count me in as a former liberal in equality issue only, but that’s the starting issue getting people into the pile). Mind you, that block doesn’t exist during normal events not touching their dear principles and beliefs but somehow it’s micraculously appeared when you engage in issues dear to their heart.
This is a tough issue to handle, especially when you start realizing that those elitists are everywhere in the critical environments such as media, academia and high school. Internet helps a bit for fact checking and it has a long lasting memory to repudiate history rewritten habit of the elitists. But it’s brand new and it takes time to change. And the mass is mainly easy going for the nature of the mass is that way as long as nothing really stirs them from issues close to their heart like job, gasoline price, traffic congestion or crime in the neighborhood. At the end of the day, there’re sitcom and news for the lazy captive audiences. I know it and the elitists know it and that’s why John Kerry is presidential candidate, and why it will be the most close call contest when his name should never ever be on any ballot.
The barbarian at the gate is nothing compared to the enemy within. 9/11 is a small potato event compared to what can come next and it would be a really big hard blow reality to the face of American. Like WW2 comes too late at the cost of millions of young man for the sheer mental sickness of the fews.
Everybody:
It is appropriate that a column discussing the silence and lies of The Media should find forged posts and vandalism. We need no more proof that The Left is frightened of us, frightened of free speech, honesty, open debate, always afraid of being found out, gutless to the end. Wherever you see the name “Rhod” or “Robert” or “Frank” with counterintuitive information, know that this is the trembling of the losers of the world, the continuing nightmare of the coward, the adult bedwetter, the Kerry Man through and through.It’s funny and pathetic at the same. Advertise your fear, loser, over and over. KERRY IS TOAST!
Rhod
Robert,
Actually the post above inspired by many of your comments in the past and every time I want to write about it, I scrapped it because it can’t be handled by a few lines to justify the whole mental process of human being to arrive such conclusion. I guess your professor comment have pushed me to the edge to summarize the whole thing as best as I can. People have written books on a single issue while I attempt to summarize everything in few lines so pardon my sudden conclusion if it doesn’t appear to connect.
Correction:
Word 1 is inclusive composition of life and not life things. World 2 is inclusive composition of life things (with the exception of memory mechanism could be argued for plants) and world 3 is exclusive for human being (as far as I know and there is no conclusive evidence to support the fact that extraterestial alien is living among us)
Lan, Rhod: Enjoyed your comments, and understand exactly.
One could, as Lan noted, write volumes on the psychology of these quirky folk and their simply bizarre cultural and political philosophies.
Sad fact is, as Rhod and Lan also mentioned, these people will opt for the ‘big lie’ as their first, last, and supreme resort during the course of virtually any argument, and liars often win big, tragically enough, because they know no boundaries–right, wrong, good or evil. Unlike conservatives, they’re unencumbered by ‘mere’ moral constraints.
I guess the Oakland Raiders’ philosophy, oddly enough, might well descibe such political terrorists: “Just win, baby!”
Win at all costs. Monica Lewinsky, who once defended former-lover William Jefferson Blythe-Clinton, yesterday had a real eye-opener on just how Democratic ‘fealty’ works, didn’t she?
“I never had sex with that woman…Ms. Lewinsky,” said Clinton, in 1998.
“The Republicans [Ken Starr] are out to get this man,” said Lewinsky, in 1999.
“I had a relationship with this woman…[simply]because I could,” said Clinton, in his ‘memoir.’ “It was just sex, nothing more.”
“I can’t believe he can say that,” responded Lewinsky, just yesterday, as Clinton’s book was selling in ‘record’ numbers (according to Barnes & Noble). Added Lewinsky, “He told he deeply cared for me. He WANTED the relationship.”
Welcome to Arkansas, Monica, where we figured the guy out long, long ago.
Believe it or not, there are hayseed-chewing Arkansas good old boys out there who laugh, and say, “Can you believe Yankees swallow all that bastard’s (Clinton’s) nonsense? With judgment like that, how’d they ever manage to win the Civil War?”
Robert and Lan:
All the roads lead back to Leftofascism here. With Godwin’s Law, the accusation of fascism is supposed to terminate rational debate, but even paranoids have real enemies. And the American Left has all the distinguishing features of the fascist bougeoisie at every calamitous period in Western history.
I’m well acquainted with your Maine couple, Robert, as they are legion around here, and Lan’s analysis concludes with the proper diagnosis. They’re nuts. What is missing is decency, humility and self-awareness, three civilizing qualities obviously lacking in the Nutty Professor and his wife. Degrees, honoraria, and cultivation can’t hide the snake pit within forever.
History is littered with the catastropohes caused by moral indifference and smugness. Just those two simple things, those two mundane elements in the facile sophistication in your Maine couple could explain much about The Holocaust. The banality of evil indeed. I don’t give them an inch on this matter. I know them. I fear them because they are capable of anything. I have looked into their eyes for years around here and see only a swarm of bats.
The dull loaf of a human retard who shows up here and mocks us would dance on the grave of his own mother. No problem. Always the first to go anyway in a round up by Leftists, taken away with the stupid incredulous look on the slack-jawed face. And I would guess that some of them will end up on the floor with masked Islamic terrorists above them, about to perform the surgery. THEY are hated more than Conservatives are by our enemies around the world.
But your professor is another matter. This is the enemy at home, seen through a glass darkly, too. The old cliches come to mind. Things are never as they seem, the beast within, all that stuff. Kerry is unfit for office for lots of reasons, but first because of the people who support him.
The other day, I had the displeasure of listening to a “conservative” Middle East “scholar” ramble through a lecture on the potential receptivity to democracy in places like Iraq and Iran. His thesis, once I mined it from a wandering trail of endless dead-ends and unanswered “what I mean is…” utterances, amounted to the following: culture, specifically that of the Middle East, is irrelevant to a nation’s capability of accepting democracy as its form of government.
He cited examples of various dictators who have already felt compelled to have “democratic elections”, thereby demonstrating that the need to have a veneer of democracy is sign enough that a free government could be sustained.
Here is the root of the first problem: the equating of democracy with freedom. Democracy is simply the rule of the majority. In a democracy, the minority gets fucked. When the minority complains about said fucking, the majority tells it:
“Fuck you, it’s in the ‘public interest’ that you get fucked. Therefore, shut your trap, get in the voting booth, and let us fuck you once more.”
Sure, democracy might be acceptable to any existing culture in the Middle East. Where you might have a problem, however, is trying to talk to some of those guys about things like constitutional republics. I.e., governments based on objective law that uphold the rights of the individual. Instilling that in the Middle East might not be so easy.
So, here we had yet another Republican who had absolutely no conception of the relationship between ideas, culture, and forms of government. He was actually asserting that dictatorships could be transformed into “democracies” with the simple application of “external pressure”. That pressure coming from (a) military force, or (b) diplomatic “pressure”.
Evidently, whether your culture makes it a habit of stoning people to death for social faux pas like adultery has no bearing on whether or not your culture will appreciate a government that protects individual rights.
There are two possible courses we can take to be safe in the long run. The first, contrary to the aforementioned horseshit, is to be cultural imperialists. That is, eliminate religion from the fucking planet and maybe teach a few people that suicide bombings aren’t the ideal course of action for a human being. The second possible course of action is to keep the barrels of our guns pointing directly at any two-bit dictator and let him know that he will suffer the same fate as Saddam Hussein should he support or harbor terrorists.
So pick your solution. Personally, the cultural imperialism thing is an optimistic choice, but frankly I don’t know if we can handle it. Regardless of what we do, we’re gonna need our finger on the button anyway, so frequent threats of mass annihilation in the Middle East will probably be necessary, and maybe sufficient.
But never mind that. Let me get to the punchline.
After the above limp-wristed conservative finished his tedious sleep-inducing speech, I felt compelled to ask a question. How, I asked, can you argue that culture is irrelevant? How can you argue that “pressure” is enough to change an entire government in the long-run?
His answer?
“I wasn’t really arguing. I was suggesting.”
Yes, he followed that up with other equally pussified language. But that was the only statement that stayed with me. And I was actually ready to semi-forget that statement, or at least not write about it. Then I turned on the news tonight.
On two cable news stations, I heard the following from two paid “experts” in defense of their supposed positions:
“You can make an argument for that.”
Granted, this isn’t as bad as refusing to “argue” in favor of “suggesting”, but Jesus Christ, it’s still pretty goddamn bad. Either make the fucking argument, or don’t make it. What the hell does it even mean to say “you can make an argument for that”? Doesn’t it matter at all what kind of argument you make?
For example, what if the only kind of argument you could make for it was a completely shitty argument? An argument devoid not only of facts, but of all common sense whatsoever? Would it really be relevant that you could “make an argument” for it?
Don’t tell me that some random moron could make an argument for something. And sure as fuck don’t tell me that you’re only “suggesting” something. Either say it, or don’t say it. If you don’t have the balls to stand up for your own ideas, then either shut your mouth, or hire a ventriloquist who has the gonads to “argue” them for you.
Though, come to think of it, I guess in either case you’d need to shut your goddamn mouth. (I like to be accurate.)
Apparently, you–our ‘mystery poster’–aren’t getting the most from your college dollars, judging by your ‘intellect.’ Then, again, it’s doubtful they’re your dollars. I’d be willing to bet that if in fact you’re even attending school, you’re doing so on the government’s dole.
Tell me I’m wrong, philistine.
Cat got your tongue?
Wanna’ cut-and-paste another argument to spare yourself the embarrassment of exposing your supreme stupidity?
It’s ironic to see ideology of the elitist attracts all the scums while the “stupid” people attracts all the intellectual. My personal quote can be a shining light on the elitists:
Words can fool men but Nature doesn’t give a damn.
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John,
Can’t help but wonder if this ties into The Real John Kerry - Trying to Hide The Stain of his Perfidy and why the media never called him on it.
After listening to the two hour press conference given by the Swift-Vets, from Admirals to Seaman deuce’s, this whole election is a no brainer.
The whole kerry campaign is a sham. Kerry himself called the former CTF commander and asked him to support him and not to follow through with the Swift-Vets against Kerry, after he said, No Way, the Kerry staff came out and called all of the signees of the petition,(for Kerry to resign from the election) a ‘bunch of Alcoholics’
This is typical as soon as they run out of substance they call you names.
Just to show how the ‘ Band of Brothers’ have bent over backwards to help, even this scumbag, in 1996, Kerry’s opponent brought out the anti-war rhetoric that Kerry had used before and during his speech to the Senate.
Now get this, Senator Kerry actually called Admiral Elmo Zumwalt(ret.) and asked him to testify on his behalf(via commercial) that there were no war-crime willfully commited while he was there.
The Admiral did this willingly, according to his son, one of them, Lt. Col. Zumwalt, USMC (ret.) related how his father helped this phoney to get re-elected.
Now for the irony ? He ran for office the first time on the fact that he was protesting a war that was filled with willing accomplices in war-crimes. Then twenty years later to turn around and say it never happened.
This is to the left out there and you know who you are, How can you be so stupid to believe this phony ??
‘Hanoi’John kerry is not fit to be president of the United States, His commander in Viet Nam called him ‘a lose cannon, in constant need of supervision, and too impulsive to be a leader of 6 men let alone 275 million People’
‘You don’ hurt ‘em, if you dont hit ‘em’
Lt. Gen. Louis B. Puller
Mark
Hello, all–I just returned from a month-long trip across the country (FL to CA) family reunion in TX, and visiting relatives & friends in TX, AZ, & CA. Want to let you know, Rhod, that the “Vietnam Vets against Kerry” bumper stickers on our car drew cheers and “thumbs up” everywhere we went, from pedestrians to truckers (yes, even in CA!) Only got one negative comment all across the country. (Spammers, hackers and forgers–read this and weep! The grassroots are being shaken, and as Rhod has stated, “KERRY IS TOAST!!”)
John, I’ve been catching up with what’s new in your blog since I’ve been gone, and again, sincere thanks from my husband and me, for all you’re doing to keep people informed with the truth.
And now, here is another report of how John Kerry tried to undermine the cause of freedom. Funny–this was never mentioned in all the extensive coverage following President Reagan’s death.
From the online newspaper “Accuracy in Media” July 12, 2004
AIM Report: Kerry Subverted Reagan’s Pro-Freedom Policies-July A
http://www.aim.org/aim_report/1786_0_4_0_C/
Why serve and fight for your country if afterwards you can’t criticize it? That is what democracy is. I served my country for 20 years. I earned the right to say what I want about it’s politics and policies. My country right or wrong and when it is wrong it is my duty to make it right again. At least Kerry isn’t trying to screw veterans like the Repukes are!
David L. Richards, MSgt., USAF, (Ret.)
Nobody denies the right to criticize. But when you meet with the enemy, and then criticize the country with lies that they are using, there’s a name other than “critic” for you. And that is exactly what John Kerry did. That is why his picture is honored in a museum for those who helped the communists win in Saigon - oops, Ho Chi Minh City. That’s one of the reasons why his entire former chain of command pronounced him unfit to command.
So if you will vote for a guy like that because he promises to give you more money, go for it. Some of us joined to serve our country, not for the benefits, and besides, we know that a person like Kerry cannot be trusted to do what he promises. Also, benefit cuts only affect the very rich veterans.
Have YOU read Kerry’s 1971 testimony? Do you think it is the truth? The link is available above.
Were YOU smeared by him like many of us were? Your country was smeared, and the reputation still sticks, thanks to Kerry. His friends, the Vietnamese communists recently put out an article which quoted Kerry by name as an authority saying that we did horrible things routinely in Vietnam. So go ahead, vote for the guys the communist butchers of Vietnam are voting for. Vote for they guy who helped kill millions of people in Vietnam by his propaganda. Vote for the guy who recommended we surrender in Vietnam - unconditional surrender.
But hey, what are principles and love of country compared to a few extra bucks spent by rich veterans?
How do you make it right again Master Sergent ? By undermining your countries policies in front of the whole world and call the PResident in front of the whole world a ‘Liar’. It s sons a bitches like that spit on us when we returned from Viet Nam. And kerry is the biggest son of a bitch there is. I have more respect for the Hari-Krishna’s than I do for that back-stabbing son of a bitch john kerry, at least all they did was chant.
It is your A##hole kerry that went before the Senate and lied his A## off just for political
gain. And called all of us war criminals which is Bull sh*t and if you were indeed in the service as you say you may realize it.
Now he has the b#lls to come before us and say, ‘hey I want your vote , I was one of you’.
That is until he got back and stabbed us in the back by fratinizing with the enemy giving aid and comfort to the enemy, he violated the UCMJ, since you spent 20 years in the Air Force you should know what the UCMJ is, or has it been too long.
Criticism is one thing, but there is a fine line and going on national television and telling the enemy that our commander in chief is wrong that the war is illegal all you are doing is helping the other side.
Try rooting for our side for a change you liberal moron.
Mark
Semper Fi.
John,
Please define “rich” veteran. I didn’t realize that you had to be means tested to be a veteran. Maybe that’s why BushII, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Fife, and Pearle aren’t veterans. Under-funding the VA, raising drug co-pays for veterans, closing VA facilities, denying Catergory 8 vets service, denying concurrent receipt of disability and retirement pay, only allowing a veteran to use his VA home loan once, affects ALL veterans.
Voting for somebody because they will give me more money. Hmmm…that would make me a Republican. “…killed MILLIONS of people in Vietnam by his propoganda.” What do you call that statement? Recommending unconditional surrender? Bugging out of Saigon in 1975? Do we call that a strategic retreat? Under a Republican President? Sounds like Iraq today, huh?
And I didn’t realize that the Freedom of Speech right was only for a select few. Silly me. I should have gone to college and become an oil magnate. I turned down 2 college scholarships and joined the Air Force because I wanted to serve my country.
And Mark, I will excuse you for your lack of articulation and command of the language. I would say that is indicative of the Marine Corps, but if you read Gen. Zinni’s book and Gen. Hoar’s statement at Diplomats and Military Commanders for Change website you will realize there are some intelligent Jarheads. I have even worked with some.
Yes, I am liberal, although I prefer the term progressive because it indicates action, but moron I am not.
Gentlemen, have a nice day!
Sincerely,
David L. Richards, MSgt., USAF, (Ret.)
P. S.
Mark,
You know why they put Marines on Navy ships?
So the sailors have somebody to dance with!…hehehe
I’m sure you and John make a lovely couple!
Sincerely,
David L. Richards, MSgt., USAF, (Ret.)
You read Zinnis book, I will stick with General Pullers’. Zinni has an ax to grind and has no more credibility than algore or BJ clinton.
Another communists website infiltrating the net how convenient for you.
As I said it is ’son of a bitches’ like you that give aid and comfort to the enemy and undermine the United States.
We are at war, whether you believe it or not or whether Zinni believes it or not I dont give a ’sh*t’ because neither one of you gives a ‘rats-a**’ about the United States. If you did you and Zinne would not be running around trying to get a ‘traitor’ elected to the Presidency
Appeasement didnt work in 1938 and it will not work today.
Call me stupid because I was only a ‘grunt’, but I was a damn good one and damn proud of it.
You can take your communists Bull sh*t and stick it where the sun dont shine. Because I know where exactly where you are coming from,, Red Square.
Mark
Try rooting for the good guys for a change.
I’ll bet, David, that those came right from a Kerry talking point memo. Right below the part where Kerry promises to balance the budget on the backs of the rich.
Bush has increase military pay 21 percent.
He has cut the processing time for veterans claims in half.
He has increased the VA budget for medical care more than 40 percent.
Under Bush, the VA has enrolled an additional 2.5 milllion vets in health care, and contrary to your points, twice signed legislation providing concurrent receipt.
He has reducedd the disability claims backlog and intends to spend $3.7 billion to modernize VA facilities and put them in the best places to serve the most veterans.
Voting for somebody because they will give me more money. Hmmm…that would make me a Republican. “…killed MILLIONS of people in Vietnam by his propoganda.” What do you call that statement? Recommending unconditional surrender? Bugging out of Saigon in 1975? Do we call that a strategic retreat? Under a Republican President? Sounds like Iraq today, huh?
And I didn’t realize that the Freedom of Speech right was only for a select few. Silly me.
Perhaps you should study some history. As a result of Kerry’s mouthing of North Vietnamese propaganda, and other people of his ilk, the US was forbidden from aiding South Vietnam. The North invaded with a force large than the entire US Army of today, and the supplies and air support that had long been promised had been cut off by the Democrat Congress.
There wasn’t a strategic retreat - there was a turnover to the South Vietnamese, with a guarantee that we would provide supplies and air support if the North violated the truce. We were prevented from doing so by the Church amendment, put forth by the same Democrat who then destroyed the CIAs humint capability, with the result we saw on 9-11 (although Clinton made it worse, by not allowing the CIA to use agents who had blood on their hands, preventing infiltration of Al Qaeda or the Baathists, and preventing FBI counter-intelligence from talking to FBI criminal prosecutions). You liberals keep bedfellows whose main purpose seems to be to destroy our ability to defend ourselves.
As to freedom of speech, everyone has it. But freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences. Kerry’s speech was treasonous. Ask his fellow Senator (and ex POW) Denton, or ask the commander of his riverine division. Or ask the over 250 Swift Boat Veterans including every one of his commanders, who have signed a letter saying he is unfit for command.
I turned down 2 college scholarships and joined the Air Force because I wanted to serve my country.
I coulda sworn, from your arguments, that you wanted the benefits.
David
Thank you for displaying your willingness to engage in reasoned debate. Obviously we should take what you say seriously.
NOT
Mark,
OK, if you insist….STUPID. Want a sign to go along with that?
Sincerely,
David L. Richards, MSgt., USAF, (Ret.)
P. S.
John,
At least you have an understanding of history. We could probably have good argument over a beer.
David,
That’s entirely possible.
What I truly don’t understand, though, is how any veteran could vote for John Kerry, after all the terrible things he did, as detailed in the article this is attached to. The guy was doing the work of the enemy. He was coordinating with them. He did it so well they honor him for it to this day. Even if you believe Winter Soldier (of which not one charge could be substantiated), it doesn’t justify many of the things he said and did.
The guy is such an opportunist (according to his buddies in the VVAW, and the FBI records) that he sold out his country to get publicity for his political career. I cannot imagine a worse candidate for president. How do you answer that?
How do you answer the actions of over 250 Swift boat veterans who signed a letter proclaiming him to be unfit for command - including all of his commanding officers and his chain of command through CINCPAC (the latter represented by his son, also a vet, since Adm. Zumwalt died of cancer)?
This guy wasn’t a run-of-the-mill war protester. He was part of a group coordinating with the enemy, and he himself met with them once for certain, and probably twice.
And he did it all to advance his career!
How can you vote for such a guy? Why do you believe he will do anything he promises, when he was willing to make such nation-damaging lies for his own good?
I don’t get it.
I was talking to my mailman today - lifelong democrat, retired US Army, voting for Bush this year - first Republican vote ever. He, like most Vietnam Vets, understands what a snake Kerry is.
To All:
This I found on a website yesterday, it pretty much sums up the Kerry-Edwards platform. This is what the left-wing-commie balanced media doesnt want the average American to know.
Who does this sound like?
1. Bush is destroying workers rights and outsourcing jobs instead of
protecting the right to organize and creating new jobs rebuilding
schools, bridges, roads and hospitals
2. Bush is privatizing Medicare, Social Security and public
education with phony reforms instead of enacting health care for
all, protecting retirement funds and full funding for public
education through college.
3. Bush is bankrupting the Federal Government with giant tax cuts
for the very rich and super-funds to the military instead of
securing the budget for human needs by taxing the rich and spending
on human needs.
4. Bush is rolling back civil rights gains instead of enforcing and
expanding affirmative action to end racism in all areas of life.
5. Bush is curtailing women’s rights and choice by undermining Roe
v. Wade instead of upholding the right to choice and ending the
gender wage gap.
6. Bush is abusing immigrant workers in low-wage jobs instead of
providing a clear path to citizenship and equal rights.
7. Bush is exploiting and ruining the environment by protecting
corporate polluters instead of conserving our natural resources for
the public good.
8. Bush’s war in Iraq is a disaster for our security and economy. He
is pushing for more preemptive wars and for first strike nuclear
military policy instead of negotiations and cooperation utilizing
the UN.
9. Bush is denying civil liberties and free speech in the name of
fighting terrorism instead of repealing the USA Patriot Act and
helping cities, towns and states fund firefighters and police.
10. Bush discriminates against Gays and Lesbians with a
Constitutional Amendment instead of expanding civil rights and
liberties for all.
This is from the Communist Party USA site…I would say it sounds a lot like the Kerry Edwards sewage.
There is no debate there is no argument this is what we are up against. This is what Khruschev(sp) warned us in 1959, the take over will be from with in.
This is why we all need to vote against John Kerry and his ‘ilk’
Mark
John,
PLEASE!
…after all the terrible things he did…
…The guy was doing the work of the enemy…
…He was coordinating with them…
…they honor him for it to this day…
With the reputation that Karl Rove has, if any of these things were true they would be using them in campaign ads smeared all over the media. Fox News would have a field day! Ann Coulter would be running her mouth on every morning talk show in the nation. Hell, look at what they did to Max Cleland in Georgia and John McCain in S. C. This administration is vici