Army Cannot Use Jewish Bullets
Sat June 26th, 2004 13:13 MSTYou know, sometimes the craziest ideas come up:
Israeli-made bullets bought by the U.S. Army to plug a shortfall should be used for training only, not to fight Muslim guerrillas in Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. lawmakers told Army generals on Thursday.Since the Army has other stockpiled ammunition, “by no means, under any circumstances should a round (from Israel) be utilized,” said Rep. Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii, the top Democrat on a House of Representatives Armed Services subcommittee with jurisdiction over land forces.
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Although the Army should not have to worry about “political correctness,” Abercrombie was making a valid point about the propaganda pitfalls of using Israeli rounds in the U.S.-declared war on terror, said Rep. Curt Weldon, the Pennsylvania Republican who chairs the subcommittee on tactical air and land forces.
“There’s a sensitivity that I think all of us recognize,” Weldon told the Army witnesses, including Maj. Gen. Buford Blount, who led the U.S. Third Infantry Division that captured Baghdad in April 2003.
I once had lunch with a mercenary who had found Muslims in Africa. His group always greased their bullets with pigfat. Sounds fine to me. If they’re worth killing, they’re worth offending.
Hat Tip to Silent Running. and Mike H.
Unbelievable, whos side are these Friggin idiots on anyway. It is bad enough we got to listen to the pigs from the extreme left now there are politically correct bullets.
this is another good reason for term limits.
Mark
I hate that the idea came from a Democrat, but actually, this might be more than just pc. The Arab world already blames Jews and Neocons (who you remember are running the whitehouse)for the war as well as every other arabic or world problem anyway. What do you suppose the response would be if they found Israeli bullets on the battleground? No way in the world would the Muslims believe Israel wasn’t involved beyond the sale of the ammunition. Whatever motives Abercrombie has, in the long run, I think it is a protection for Israel.
Billie:
Unless Israel stamps the ‘Star of David’ on each bullet how in the world does anyone tell where is comes from?
Mark
Billie, when dealing with the folks over there, all you have to do is start a rumor. As this guy just did. Not only PC, but counter productive. And the partner in crime?
Mark:
Don’t answer this thin-hipped, paper shoe, hair-pieced piece of Euro garbage. He knows everyone here is superior to him and he’s trying to irritate us. It gives him a break from scraping the pomade off his comb, and applying the shoe polish to his pencil moustache. John lets him stay because we need a laugh or two, and a reminder of the filth on The Left, especially the Euro-Left. Collaborating trash whose days are numbered. We can watch with a laugh when the time comes.
LOL Rhod you’ve got it. He’s clueless but amazing.
I’ll bet that he can say (michael moore). [:-p
Mike H.,
Probably not. Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis interferes with verbal skills too. Speaking of Michael Moore and, coincidentally, a prohibition on Israeli bullets, what is Michael Moore’s position (no pun intended) on Israel? My loathing for Michael Moore goes back to “Roger and Me”, but for my own sanity, have avoided the topic of MM for the most part. I can just take so much these days. I know most of the popular stuff, but does anyone here have an explanation on his views of Israel?
Rhod:
Since this is about ‘Jewish Bullets’ perhaps a jewish curse will help, “May they inherit a hotel with a thousand rooms and be found dead in each one of them.”
Mark
The other day, I had the displeasure of listening to a “conservative” Middle East “scholar” ramble through a lecture on the potential receptivity to democracy in places like Iraq and Iran. His thesis, once I mined it from a wandering trail of endless dead-ends and unanswered “what I mean is…” utterances, amounted to the following: culture, specifically that of the Middle East, is irrelevant to a nation’s capability of accepting democracy as its form of government.
He cited examples of various dictators who have already felt compelled to have “democratic elections”, thereby demonstrating that the need to have a veneer of democracy is sign enough that a free government could be sustained.
Here is the root of the first problem: the equating of democracy with freedom. Democracy is simply the rule of the majority. In a democracy, the minority gets fucked. When the minority complains about said fucking, the majority tells it:
“Fuck you, it’s in the ‘public interest’ that you get fucked. Therefore, shut your trap, get in the voting booth, and let us fuck you once more.”
Sure, democracy might be acceptable to any existing culture in the Middle East. Where you might have a problem, however, is trying to talk to some of those guys about things like constitutional republics. I.e., governments based on objective law that uphold the rights of the individual. Instilling that in the Middle East might not be so easy.
So, here we had yet another Republican who had absolutely no conception of the relationship between ideas, culture, and forms of government. He was actually asserting that dictatorships could be transformed into “democracies” with the simple application of “external pressure”. That pressure coming from (a) military force, or (b) diplomatic “pressure”.
Evidently, whether your culture makes it a habit of stoning people to death for social faux pas like adultery has no bearing on whether or not your culture will appreciate a government that protects individual rights.
There are two possible courses we can take to be safe in the long run. The first, contrary to the aforementioned horseshit, is to be cultural imperialists. That is, eliminate religion from the fucking planet and maybe teach a few people that suicide bombings aren’t the ideal course of action for a human being. The second possible course of action is to keep the barrels of our guns pointing directly at any two-bit dictator and let him know that he will suffer the same fate as Saddam Hussein should he support or harbor terrorists.
So pick your solution. Personally, the cultural imperialism thing is an optimistic choice, but frankly I don’t know if we can handle it. Regardless of what we do, we’re gonna need our finger on the button anyway, so frequent threats of mass annihilation in the Middle East will probably be necessary, and maybe sufficient.
But never mind that. Let me get to the punchline.
After the above limp-wristed conservative finished his tedious sleep-inducing speech, I felt compelled to ask a question. How, I asked, can you argue that culture is irrelevant? How can you argue that “pressure” is enough to change an entire government in the long-run?
His answer?
“I wasn’t really arguing. I was suggesting.”
Yes, he followed that up with other equally pussified language. But that was the only statement that stayed with me. And I was actually ready to semi-forget that statement, or at least not write about it. Then I turned on the news tonight.
On two cable news stations, I heard the following from two paid “experts” in defense of their supposed positions:
“You can make an argument for that.”
Granted, this isn’t as bad as refusing to “argue” in favor of “suggesting”, but Jesus Christ, it’s still pretty goddamn bad. Either make the fucking argument, or don’t make it. What the hell does it even mean to say “you can make an argument for that”? Doesn’t it matter at all what kind of argument you make?
For example, what if the only kind of argument you could make for it was a completely shitty argument? An argument devoid not only of facts, but of all common sense whatsoever? Would it really be relevant that you could “make an argument” for it?
Don’t tell me that some random moron could make an argument for something. And sure as fuck don’t tell me that you’re only “suggesting” something. Either say it, or don’t say it. If you don’t have the balls to stand up for your own ideas, then either shut your mouth, or hire a ventriloquist who has the gonads to “argue” them for you.
Though, come to think of it, I guess in either case you’d need to shut your goddamn mouth. (I like to be accurate.)
>>”Sure, democracy might be acceptable to any existing culture in the Middle East. Where you might have a problem, however, is trying to talk to some of those guys about things like constitutional republics. I.e., governments based on objective law that uphold the rights of the individual. Instilling that in the Middle East might not be so easy. “
Mark:
I was ‘assuming’ the casing of the Jewish bullets would be stamped with identifying marks of either the country of origin, the military issue, or the company that produced them, and thereby the country. I should remember one shouldn’t assume. Personally, I don’t care how the bad guys get their due, a bullet is a bullet.
Billie:
I agree, but I’ve never seen a country of origin stamped on the casing, but who knows, now anyway. But If it were up to me I would use the Israeli bullets just to piss off the Left and the Islamo-Nazis.
Mark
Those who have not read history are destined to repeat it.
I reccommend for your reading the following:
http://165.29.91.7/classes/humanities/worldstud/97-98/imper/india/sepoy.htm
Money Quote:
“The growing Indian discontent with British rule erupted on May 10, 1857. The sepoys, who were Indians trained by the British as soldiers, heard rumors that the cartridges for their new Enfield rifles were greased with lard and beef fat.”
Looks to me like someone in Congress is up on his history of the British Empire.
read the whole thing, It’s short.
John B.
JohnB - It looks like it worked pretty well, if the goal was to reduce the number of Sepoys.
Our goal is to reduce the number of terrorists and democracy opponents in Iraq. Pig fat sounds useful, although it would be more useful in Saudi Arabia. When my brother lived there, is National Geographics would come with the pictures of pigs clipped out.
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I see no reason why Israeli bullets are any worse than US, French or german bullets. It does not matter what kills you.
Speaking of Killing…Winston Churchill said…”Just because we must kill them does not mean we cannot be nice to them while doing it.”
Am I still banned?
Well in any case please refer to the English India conflict caused by the grease packing of bullets being made of both beef and pork rendered fat.
Offending religions won’t get you far in relations will it.
Using pig fat has been known to be an effective psy-war techniques against certain Muslims - typically those of low education in countries with lots of superstitions - such as parts of Africa.
Sophisticated groups simply issue fatwas declaring that being shot with such a bullet will not make one dirty. After all, suicide is against Islam, but we’ve seen lots of Islamic suicide bombers.
Because many Muslims will accept religious authority from political people claiming religious leader status, they can get away with this sort of thing.
In theory, an Islamic religious leader has a lot of deep knowledge and a track record of being wise in the ways of Islam. Obviously that doesn’t apply to Mullah Omar!
Another sterling half-thought from IX
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Use our own made pig fat bullets, shells and bombs. If these fanatics get hit with this weapon they can not go to paradise. F them. Maybe that will cyre some of their enthusiasim. I would not hesitate to use these weapons for a micro second. Use them and the war will be over. Use them and these lunatics will seek to hide under flat rocks. To hell with the leftist liberal democrats. Lets be real. An end, even with terror, is far greater then terror without end