No Freedom of Speech in Sweden
Wed July 7th, 2004 23:11 MSTFrom WND:
A Swedish court has sentenced Ake Green, a pastor belonging to the Pentecostal movement, to a month in prison, under a law against incitement, after he was found guilty of having offended homosexuals in a sermon, according to Ecumenical News International.
What this guy said was fairly nasty, but in the US nobody would send him to jail. But in Sweden, offending homosexuals is worth a month in prison. Since just about anything goes in Sweden, it’s interesting that offending homosexuals (in a church sermon) is a crime.
One more reason that the European superior attitude towards the United States is so wrong.
there is no freedom of speech in the US either!!
if I call Bush a queer, this will be erased..
[FROM BLOGMASTER:You have a very confused idea of freedom of speech. In Sweden you can go to jail for saying something merelycontroversial. That isn’t true in the US.
However, if you use somebody else’s personal property (like this blog) to say things, they have the right to remove it. That has NOTHING to do with freedom of speech and everything to do with property rights.
You are welcome to buy a web site in the US and say nasty things about Bush. You are welcome to come over here and stand in front of the White House and say whatever you want.
Our foreign minister is not a former Baader-Meinhof terrorist like yours (Germany’s) - Joschka Fischer.
Your country puts a terrorist in its government. It gave one of the accomplices of the 9-11 massacre a short sentence, and then overturned it and he is now free. In ccontrast, the state I live in (Arizona) executed 2 German murderers, who thus will never kill again. Germany is pathetic. It releases terrorists, it has such a tiny military it had to rely on the US for solving the Kosovo problem. ]
If it were up the democrats it, calling Names would be a hate crime. This runs parallel with there policy of bashing the Administration. Of course it is a contradiction but hey its the democrats and they are allowed to get away with anything they damn well please.
They solve no problems just perpetuate the currents ones so they have something to campaign on . The only problem the president has is he is a victim of his own success. He has done everything he said he said he would do and that scares the hell out of the democrats. In their wildest dreams nobody ever tells the truht or does what they promise, what is a lying deficrat to do ? Make it up as they go along, but the time has come when it is either put up or shut up. There bag of tricks is about empty and now it is desparation time.
Their candidates for the president, ie twiddle dee and twiddle dum, just cant raise a ripple, it has got to be known as the ‘Nothing twins’ .. from the party of nothing .. What do they do they trot out michale moore and larry flint, This is the democrat party, this is how far down the old proverbial toilett the dems have gone. But with anything to do with the sisterne which the democrat party has become, the really big chunks will rise to the top, You will see , why ? because sh*t floats.
Mark
Liberals get all dewy-eyed about Gay rights, but they still use accusations of homosexuality as an insult, kinda like Rall calling Rice and Powell House Niggers.
Vote for the square, not for the Hair.
I actually read the verdict… Interesting read, thought I’d share.
The law used is a law best translated as “incitement toward minority”. The law was intended as a way to be able to prosecute neo-nazis for racist remarks, but was then expanded to include homosexuals. The pastor actually got off easy, the maximum is 2 years, which is pretty much in the Swedish legal system.
One of the requirements of the law is that enough people actually hear what you say, and the pastor in this case actually invited the media, and when they didn’t show up, he sent them transcripts… (There had been a gay parade in town, and he wanted to provide his opinion to counter all the attention the parade had gotten.) If he hadn’t done that, and enough people hadn’t been upset, there most likely would not have been a prosecution.
Then the whole verdict is basically a discussion of justified vs. not justified opinions, where it is up to the court to decide if what was said went to far, and whether it was factually correct. It’s basically a subjective call by the court.
The court in this case is one judge and three laymen, politically appointed. The judge is the only one with any legal training.
Most likely it will be appealed to a higher court, and usually these controversial cases are overturned there, when the court consists of only people with legal degrees…
If anyone remember the case against the accused murderer of the Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme in the 80’s, that’s what happened. He was convicted in the lower court, but it was overturned on appeal, and he was set free.
This is basically what “hate speech” laws does, it opens the door for very subjective prosecution.
Zeropean is going back the French revolution way. They are longing for a new Robespierre and they will have one.
Lan has hit the target again. Robespierre had a European idea of “citizenship” and it is consistent with other themes in European history. Do it or else.
The Swedish opinion about hate speech isn’t a local phenomena, but the shadow of the descending curtain of the EU. (We see similar thinking now in Canada and Scotland and other leftist outposts…and maybe even here in the US.)
When the EU imposed sanctions on Austria for merely HAVING a right-wing party, Sweden’s Prime Minister Gorrad Persson noted that it “is not in line with (EU) values”. EU values, according to Persson, include acting as “a balance to U.S. world domination”. In fact, the goal is EU domination of everything, and the libertarian habits represented by the U.S. are an impediment.
History usually has a certain melancholy logic; in this case the EU will be less of a foil for U.S. world domination than simply a preparation for Sharia Law, which is about a generation away for Persson and his country.
Frankly, it never ceases to amaze he how Democrats can lob the epithet ‘homosexual’ around like a Krupp-made high-explosive shell (on the one hand, to denigrate an opponent), and in the very next breath proclaim their support for gay marriage.
Nice post, Walt. Yours was a grand-slam! Euclidean theory was never clearer!
Bushmill:
It IS amazing. William Blake coined the term Dreadful Symmetry, maybe as a way to describe the doctrine of unintended consequences. I think it applies better here, which is that what passes for fair comment on The Left is uniformly vilified as hate speech anywhere else, particularly on The Right
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you americans… haha lol you are funny. we europeans gets daily good laughs off you. but yeah, its not really your fault that the state (that u didnt vote for cus u were to lazy to get up from the tvsofa) screw the educationsystem cus they want a stupid ppl that wont complain about the worldmassacres they are doing one after one in the world. the US lives on war. but yeah, im not complaining, cus atleast i get to smile a little=)