Edwards - Persuasive to Voters
Thu July 8th, 2004 13:18 MST
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In the looking-glass world of the Democratic Party today, Edwards made sense. If you can even BE a Democrat today without medication, the logic is already in place to see Edwards as a asset. “The Democrats”, who are now something other than normal, sane voters, envision their “base” as other people, usually the dirty-fingernail crowd in need of bridgework, spinal fusions and abortions. Hence, John Edwards, the Knight Templar of the equalizing courtroom.
Edwards tissue-thin proletarian creds are enough to fulfill the “he’s one of us AND one of them” requirement. This is the first before-breakfast impossible belief. Like Kerry, who is anti-war, pro-war, veteran and protester simultaneously, Edwards is the same indigestible combination of wealth, polish, smarm, grass chewing and millworker blood at the same time. Note to Democrats: Good art comes from knowing when to stop.
The real reason behind the Edwards choice is more prosaic. Edwards is Kerry’s middle finger to the Clintons. Any other choice, (because of age) with a Kerry win would have opened the field for The Dragon Lady eight years yonder. Not now.
Good point.
Who else was there ? Dennis Kucinich, Carol Moseley Brown, Howie Dean, or the Reverand Al Sharpton. This is his choice it was his only choice, twiddle dee and twiddle dum , if this is the best the dems have to offer, they are in real trouble. he he he aint that a shame.
Mark
Mark:
There was also Gephardt, and Evan Bayh, Joe Lieberman and maybe a few more. Kucinich? An eggplant for VP? Al and Carol would have lost the Jewish vote. Howard Dean was too conservative. Kerry apparently wasn’t interested in quality, controversy or competition.
Kingsmill:
Exactly, when your candidate is a complete ‘Zero’ where do you look for a bumper crop of bozos, to make him look like there is still life in his cadaver-like form.
Edwards has great hair, (LOL) and kerry has his botox, together they are a match made courtesey of Glaxo-wilcom.
Lieberman made too much sense, and was way to the right of kerry, Gephardt has baggage, he was leader of the minority (deficrats and they still lost big time, but kerry did not endear himself to the AFL/CIO by picking Edwards over Gephardt, he is labors Boy.
Evan Byah, he is as close to the right as you can get and still belong to the democrat party, he is very conservative. They may as well have picked Zell Miller.
The minorities, the leaders, most recently in Baaaston were not happy with kerry’s pick either.
(In the deep inner bowels of the DNC, these two are not suppose to win, not this time.) They wanted to lure Bill Richardson from Arizona ? He would have made a real difference, like it or not Richardson has substance, but it is not in the cards,… CAn anyone smell the clintons involvement in this, I can.
Say what you want about Howard Dean, he had definite grassroots support and was raising money without the help of the DNC, and he scared them to death, and the Deaniacs were energized about this guy.
This is how kerry got in and Dean was out, they could not control Dean, he wanted to change the leadership of the DNC primarily Terry McAuliff, and the Clintons wont have any of that. The clintons have their own machine going and they are in charge. McAuliff was hand picked by bill clinton.
This whole Democrat nominating process turned out to be a sham, because of Howard Dean.
Did you ever visit Dean webpage, it was all grassroots support,(in other words the DNC was NOT in the loop) and people were sending in donations to the website, and they were really jazzed about their guy.
Once the leadership realized this, it was all down hill from then and that was Iowa, he lost their and fell off the face of the democrat map.
Was it coincidence this guy Dean who was up in the poles by 20 to 25 points the day before the election kerry didnt even bob the applause meter and the next day dean got 15 % less than kerry. When the caucuses were over kerry was the most surprised of all.
Howard Dean will be a force in that party for a few more years and should be fun to watch.
The bottom line is this. This past democrat campaign was a classic show of political power at its most corrupt.
Kerry is the guy they wanted all along, and it wont happen. All they want is an empty suit to run, this time.
In ‘08 It will be Hillarys turn and then theri wont even be anything like this years charade, it will be well scripted and she will be propelled right to the top of their ticket… And God help us all.
Mark
Please learn to spell….
Glaxo Wellcome not Glaxo-wilcom
there not their, when speaing of a place
polls not poles
theri, what’s that
It may seem picky but it makes your comments worthless…
[FROM WEBMASTER: Please do not post spelling flames. They just clutter up the comments section.]
Curses! Foiled again! Mark, your entire post has been rendered worthless by a few oversights. And Mr. Angermueller, what does “speaing” mean?
Mr. A:
Punctuation and capitalization is also a good idea. Try it some time.
Oops. Wrong tense. ARE a good idea.
Hmm Spelinlg ..er spellling not a chance. I studied math and science in college, not English grammar, it was too boring and besides ther was no challange to it.
Besides EEs make much more than an English teacher.
Must be the capitalist in me.
Mark
Posts are short,
He’s no fool,
Sometimes unusual,
Sometimes cruel,
One thing cooler,
Than Angermueller,
BURMA SHAVE!
Mr.? Angermueller:
Mark needs no defending for his lack of spelling prowess, if I can call it that. He has done quite well in getting his points across which matters more to me than the periodic clobbering of a few words in his blogs.
I, too, pride myself on spelling and periodically will catch myself cringing at seeing what I once considered an important part of the communication process. I’ve long since rejected that thinking and prefer to accept the fact that….DADA, lets here the horns and drums….we are not all the same when it comes to expressing ourselves!!!
Trite? An over-simplification? Maybe, but after many years of exposure to misspellings in newspapers, TV ticker-tapes, magazines, books, official correspondence, on and on, it is more important to me to grasp the subject, storyline or context of writings than being critical of each and every word in the content. And I no longer judge a person on how they spell or talk, preferring instead to look to their sincerity.
Carry on, Mark
The above post is, of course, another criminal forgery by some cowardly little lefty termite who has no guts, no ideas, no character; just another Kerry insect who needs to hide behind a false name and a bogus link rather than an EMail address. Just another trembling little Lefty misfit.
Kerry man through and through. Go George! They’re too scared to even leave their names! But then, so was Kerry, in a way, when he flipped someone else medals/ribbons/subway tokens or whatever. He’s your man all right.
[FROM BLOGMASTER: Even worse, they’re all posting from Europe - although it is probably one idiot, unemployed with time on his hands]
Karl:
Why do you call yourself Kai? Why not just leave a “K”?
Need to add that “the above post” refers to one now deleted, not Frank B.
Oh, posting from Old Europe? Eurabia, you mean? Part of the Pan-Muslim world by now, and I hope they find dhimmitude to their liking…the submission without fighting that Euro-Muslims find so inviting and impressive among Europeans. The gargoyles are still laughing.
This is really not funny, and not atypical of continental attitudes either. I find it staggering that vanishing populations, decrepit and dying societies like all of Old Europe should be so sanguine about the end of their civilization. Perhaps the reality of their modern history made it easier to accept it. Self-hate has its variations, one of them suicide.
Certainly the type of losers we see here will be consumed in the coming storms, but that’s probably what they want. If I were them, I would too. We can survey the wreckage from here, and good riddance.
Keep in mind that they haven’t the courage to argue with and attack the people who REALLY pose a threat to them.
They revile Americans, who in our decency, can take it because we know how lowly they are.
And if they aren’t actually unemployed, they’re getting a subsidy from the taxes paid by the Yemenis, Saudis, Iranians, Algerians and others who work in, and will eventually control, Old Europe. Get fitted for that burnoose, soon.
Now we got Burma Shave signs. Wow, I love this site.
As far as Europe is concerned it will sink by its own weight like the big overbloated sow that it is.
They have gone from the extreme right to the extreme left in the past 60 years, and most of them haven’t got a clue, why … So maybe its time we the US of A step back and stop plugging up their leaks and just let it sink into oblivion.
KINGSMILL:
You had me going there for a second!!
As much as I admire Tony Blair, his wish to get Britain into the EU, against his people’s wishes, is near courting disaster. The whole idea of the EU is not to just compete economically but to defeat economically the U.S. It isn’t a stretch to conclude their next step is to have the most powerful military in the world, headed by Germany, Russia and France while sitting on and controlling the gold reserves of every country in Europe.
Once the U.S. pulls out of the SW Asia neighborhood, the vacuum will be filled by the triumvirate that failed to support us, looking and acting the part of helpers and buddies as they do their damnedest to downplay our contributions while they seek better oil deals.
It will be interesting to see how things play out in Europe in the months and years ahead, but we must not drop our guard in our dealings with the EU…..and even Canada, whose majority feels the U.S. is evil and a danger to the world. And there are American voters who feel the same way and pick Kerry to be the one to “save us from ourselves.”
Heaven help U.S. if Knuckle-Under Kerry becomes CIC!!
Frank B:
Sorry about the mixup. I bet you’ve never been called a Lefty termite before. John Moore wasted the previous post and left you in the wrong position.
I think the EU will be a disaster, not a threat. The constituent parts of a potential European military will never assemble the will or money to create one. Europe is thoroughly passive. Not pacifist but passive, the degenerate form of pacifism. The EU wouldn’t be possible in any other environment. A vast, unelected, and impenetrable bureaucracy pushing 340 million submissive people around. A nightmare, but one they deserve.
The petrified statism of Old Europe is terminal. With below-replacement birth rates, unimaginable real unemployment, confiscatory taxes, an insupportable socialism and unassimilated Islamic immigrants, these countries are in huge trouble. Producer to non-producer ratios are getting worse, crime is rising in all the major cities, and all of this is accompanied by a drug resistant strain of anti-Americanism.
Add to that all the old resentments (Germany), deviousness (France), expansionism (Russia), and the lump of undistinguished countries who are pawns to the rest, you have the usual gaseous European stew.
Wow !
That sums it up.
Mark
Kingsmill…..you might be right, you just might be right. And we shouldn’t be losing any sleep over the turmoil over there. But this old curmudgeon is still going to sleep with one eye open!! (I learned to do that in a Tripoli barracks with Arab houseboys!!)
Frank B:
Merciful God! In a Tripoli barracks with Arab houseboys! You must have slept with BOTH eyes open. Those kids would steal your radio and leave the music. But you might be right, too. If Frogistan goes up in cheese-scented smoke, we might have a bunch of them trying to get in here.
(Apologies to Arab houseboys and Frogs. Uh, French.)
Why do you do think things will different if GW fails to get re-elected? Both Kerry and Bush are members of Skull and Bones, both are originally are from the NE USA and represent the issues of the plutocratic ruling class (the people who actually own the government). Neither has a policy to get out of Iraq or for that matter to do the things that the USA needs to survive in twenty years apart from relying on the Military. It is Tweeldedum and Tweedledee between the two.
The tragedy of USA politics is that VP candidates have more idea about reality. Both Edwards and Cheney at least may have actually done an honest days work or at least a close enough acquaintance to recognise it.
In Australia we are still going to get screwed whoever gets elected. We still end up paying tribute to the USA in the form of having to buy expensive and quite useless military equipment from the USA. About the best thing that can be said for our reliance on the USA is that it made it impossible for us to commit more than our token 1000 remfs to Iraq.
For mu 2 cents worths, the election would be far more interesting if there was serious Ralph Nader/ Chris Rock ticket. I refer to Chris’ $5000 bullet speech or his “That aint right speech” from the movie “Head of State”.
Ed.
First dont believe ‘Leftist-commie-inspired ‘movies made in Hollywood. They are what they are ‘Fiction’
The skull and bones organization is a Yale fraternity of sorts. But the hysteria of some people regarding the ’skull and bones’, ie the new world order is strictly paranoia. This runs paralles with the recent attacks on the Masons, another secret order, supposedly.
What is your fear that the US will take over the world ?
You say neither has a policy of getting out of Iraq, with that thinking we should have stayed out of Germany too, then the EU new currency would be Rubles instead of the wortheless paper its printed on now.
YOu see, you and your like thinking commrades here in the states, have no clue.
Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. Appeasement does NOT work.
Happiness is a belt-fed weapon
Mark
Ed:
Maybe no one has told you yet, but Islamofascists have declared war on The West, of which Australia is a part. You have a particular vulnerability because of the hotbeds in Malaysia. Remember Bali? Seems as if some of those dead blokes were yours. A lot of them, in fact, but that doesn’t matter, does it?
It is particularly interesting that you have such an acute awareness of Northeastern U.S. demographics and such a broad and deep understanding of military issues. Whatever it’s worth, you know something too about pop culture, and where it merges with politics. Maybe that is the problem with you post. Vapid and predictable.
But I’m only kidding. Floating on top of every leftist argument are the usual trendy myths, the blinkered pacifism, the ignorance of politics ANYWHERE and the arsenal of cliches passing for a point of view.
This is the reason you guys aren’t in charge anymore. Stay cool Down Under while men and women better than you save you from the fate you probably deserve. If the times weren’t so serious and dangerous, you should be ignored, but ignorance of this magnitude requires a rebuttal.
Every ship like Ed’s lists to port. Ed knows:
1) All the manifestations of privilege among the plutocrats of the American Northeast, and the peculiar brand they carry from having gone to Yale. Ed, however, doesn’t know what a “plutocratic ruling class” is, because nothing he said would describe one.
2) The “tragedy of USA politics” is that Vice Presidential candidates have done an honest day’s work, and THE Presidents haven’t. This is Ed’s glittering idea about American politics. Brilliant.
3) The new political establishment in Iraq does NOT represent a policy to “get out of Iraq”. Ed is apparently not moving through time with the rest of us. Is he even sentient?
4) Australian politics is devoted to the lone task of buying useless military equipment from the United States. Australians, because of this, are “screwed”. This is almost too stupid to acknowledge as a point of view.
5) Everything there is know about Ralph Nader and Chris Rock, and recommends them as candidates on the basis of having seen the movie “Head of State”. A dazzling intelligence on display.
Ed didn’t mention a single word about radical Islam.
Kingsmill and Leslie
The only thing I can add is maybe not Ed and his kind in Australia are the same as they are here. But Australia has backed us Up, in Iraq and from the beginning of our relationship.
When in doubt,, empty the magizine.
Mark
“An election cannot give a country a firm sense of direction if it has two or more national parties which merely have different names, but are as alike in their principals and aims as two peas in the same pod.” “Franklin D. Roosevelt”
I could dredge up a dozen more implying the same sentiment. I’d agree with them all.
America needs someone that can indeed Unify the country. And it isn’t going to be any of the politicos being offered this round.
IXLNXS:
What the hell kind of a name is that.
‘Move-on’ member eh, isnt that sweet. So who you voting for George ‘the Commie’ Soros, sugar daddy to the deficrat party. Aka the party of treason ?
Yes , Virginia there is a clear choice for November and he is our current president, George W. Bush.
Just amazes me how you poeple come over here, and spout your lies, but this one is clever, no doubt.
So what are your reasons for not liking “Lurch” ?
His charismatic personallity, or his bigger than life slogan, ‘Bring it on’. As a demicrat you should be thrilled with that kind of rhetoric.
I see you mention good ole FDR, now there was a socialist is wolf’s clothing, wish for the goood old days huh ? Would you have protested WW-II, also ?
Since you are into Cliche’s:
Hers one for you, : YOU ONLY HAVE THE RIGHTS YOU ARE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR.
Mark
Mark:
You might remember IXLNXS from the old Useful Fools site. He’s claims to be an old joint-lovin’ hippie but whose views are so weightless and vapid they amount to nothing.
IX:
You still haven’t answered my questions of two months ago about Iraq and a couple other issues.
One feature of having an opinion is that people can ask you questions about it, and then you are supposed to answer them. You never do, and I know why. You don’t an opinion. You’re the boring uncle who likes to hear himself talk.
Question of The Day for IX: Why do you say that the country isn’t unified? Is the country unified when everyone has YOUR point of view? If you shared my point of view, we’d be one person closer to unity. How about it?
Furthermore, This blog isn’t built out of pithy bricks form Bartlett’s Familiar Quotations. Maybe you should describe your own views and not FDR’s.
Uh guys… this is still the Useful Fools site.
I know, John. I was referring to your “old” site where we met as veterans. I used the wrong tag. Sorry.
One other thing. IX observes that the country isn’t unified, but the two major parties are exactly the same. If you believe what you read about the polarization of the electorate, how can the parties be the same?
All:
Hey today is Bastille day, the day of french independance. Do you think kerry is going to celebrate ??
As far as the rest of us, Who the hell cares.
Mark
At one time, the expression “The Terror” or “The Great Terror” was used in history classes to describe the aftermath of the French Revolution. As for Bastille Day, the French have a great history of releasing prisoners indiscriminately, confining them in the same way on fever swamp islands, shipping innocents off to their deaths and going through leaders and republics like they were petit fours. French colonialism is as malevolent as French foreign policy is cowardly.
France today is “independent” of two things - principle and backbone. It is the walking ghost of Europe without the good sense and decency to lie down and shut up.
They were the pits under Degaulle, he was worse than Chirac if that is possible. Your right, when I was their they were working on their fourth or fifth Republic.
One time on a cruise, the ships would take on fresh water from shore, in Marsaille, they filled the LST up with seawater, nice people those french, it took awhile to clean the tanks and they wound up making their own, which they can of course, but is alot quicker and easier to get it from shore, Then the skipper said,’ the hell with the french’.
It was found out it was not a mistake.
Mark
Awful. They probably remembered when we sank their fleet in the Med.
Speaking of that, their poisonous nuke aircraft carrier lost pieces of the prop recently and had to sail back, after eleven years of repairs for bad electronics and radiation leakage.
Chirac said recently that the French military was the third best in the world. Maybe the third best in France, after Algerian street gangs and the transportation workers union.
That took about a 30 hours to sink the french fleet didnt it. Or was it 20 minutes before they surrendered.
LOL
Mark
Mark:
Go easy on them. The fleet was under control of the Vichy Govt, which was backed by the Germans. The fleet was on, I think, the North African coast, which meant Germans nearby.
We wanted them to surrender to us (we were allied with the Brits) and the shear number of surrender possibilities was overwhelming. The Italians might even have come into the surrender scope too, so this was a major problem for the French Navy.
WHO do you surrender too with so many contestants?
It takes time to sort this out, maybe up to thirty hours of dice rolling, moustache twirling and wine drinking to find the best one.
Wasn’t Pompedou(sp) the puppet in charge of the Vichy French ?
I can not find the leaders name, if I am wrong please advise.
But just checked after the surrender of the french fleet in North Africa, the nazi’s invaded Vichy France and took over toulon, but were too late for to stop the french sailors from scuttleling the last of their ships.
When you look at France’s track record. Why would anyone in their right mind want them for an ally ?
Kerry must be nuts to want them as an ally, or maybe he is too french, and you know what that means. Haende Hoh, Franzoezer !
Mark
Mark:
I think it was Marshall Petain, but that might be wrong.
Kerry has French Connections, so to speak, so that explains his affection for them. Liking the country and trusting them are not the same thing, though.
If you think about it, it’s because of the French that you and I and a lot of others got a tour of VN so many years ago.
God, I hate Edwards fake smile. He’s like a disgusting bacterial slime that oozes its way toward you. Ugh!
Actually I think kerry’s choice of Edwards was motivated by necessity. I don’t believe Clinton would have teamed up with him ’cause she knows he’s going to lose. If she loses this election, then it’s over for her politically.
further, I don’t think anyone else would have been willing to go with Kerry at this point for a second reason. If Hillary won’t join him, then she’ll make sure he loses. Hillary is for Hillary first and foremost. If Kerry were to win that means she’d have to wait (at least) another eight years, and who knows if she could win it.
What I think she is doing, is she is hoping to run against Cheney, not Bush. Running against Bush in wartime is equivalent to running against Reagan in wartime. No matter what, he’ll win. Even if he won’t win, what exactly is Kerry going to do about Iraq?
Lets face it, the country is in the middle of a war. If Kerry wins, that war is going to become a mess. Remember Lyndon Johnson? That’s Kerry, only Kerry’s worse. If Hillary tied herself to that lunatic, she’d be killing her career, cause Kerry ain’t gonna win a second term, even if he gets lucky the first one. Nope, she’s looking to fight Cheney.
I despise the Dragon Lady, but for a used-car salesman she’s canny.
-ron
Jim is too mild in his description of Edward’s smile. Another blog posted a side-by-side picture of Edwards and the cartoon character Richie Rich. The similarity was uncanny.
Ballantrae: Right on. But apart from the standard set of liberal ideas, WHAT explains the appeal of this shrew?
In the last 2 days I have seen and heard three of the swift boat veterans try to dog Sen. Kerry about his medals. None of them have made any sense in trying to get to their real hidden agenda, his anti-war stance.
Dave:
Where are you going with this? Kerry’s “anti-war stance” was a cynical expression of his political ambitions, and he’s vulnerable there too. The medals are a separate matter.